In defense of AD (at least in comparisons with our Eddie or Mo Taylor), he's been the go-to guy in Toronto's frontcourt. You can say he's in the Eastern Conference, but with the Rockets, he'd be playing alongside Yao and wouldn't have as much pressure to score. How about a Mo Taylor for A.D. trade? I think the Raps would save roughly 4.2 million in salary. Don't know if Les would bite on that though.
I agree totally on both points. It's r****ded to use that exception on a guy as old as him. Someone and the exception for 'Reef or someone around his age and skill would make sense though.
A. Davis will only get older and decline even further. He is far too expensive for what he brings. If we go for him, we are going backwards from our current rejuvenating trend. A. Davis = large contract for minor or underachieving role player. Also in that category are Cato, Mo Tay, Glen Rice, and Moochie. I do NOT like it.
If this were to happen, it would have to be one of the two Rox big men with contracts proportionate to their size - Taylor or Cato. Either way, like y'all have said, there's still gonna be a 4 million or so gap between either of those players' pay and that of Davis. What does that leave? a.) Throwing in other players (maybe both teams) to match within 15% (roughly 2.5-3.5 mill's worth has to be made up by Rox), b.) Using part (Not all!) of the newfound trade exception, or c.) A combination thereof. If "A", then who? Mooch is practical, but the Raps have no realistically serviceable PG other than Williams, who makes more than Mooch, so that doesn't help bridge the gap... MoPete is pointless unless the Rockets throw in Cuttino, which I really wouldn't do; and it wouldn't bridge the salary gap anyways. You can't trade any of the 3 new swingmen until September, so rule them out. That right there basically means that only scenarios "B" and "C" are at all practical, meaning probably at least half of the trade exception will be gone as quickly as AD arrives here. I don't know if I'd do this. But then again it probably would help the team (Cato or Mo for AD). Just not as much as I would like.
if you guys are after a big man who can fill the lanes, hit the boards, and score now and then, then kemp might be a ok option. ok, ok.... before you take my head off, take a couple of things in mind 1 he'll come cheap... 1.2 mill kind of cheap 2 kemp, under JVG will have to shape up or he'll get cut halfway throughout the season, which could spell the end of he's career. that could motivate him... one could hope anyway 3 at the very worst, he'll eat MOT an MOOCHIE alive and the rockets will be rid of there hefty contracts
better yet, he eats the entire postgame spread before mo t can get there and we see a slimmer trimmer mo t as a result.
Well, just for fun... Toronto trades: PF Antonio Davis (13.9 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 35.7 minutes) PG Alvin Williams (13.2 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.9 minutes) PF Michael Bradley (5.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.6 minutes) Toronto receives: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) Change in team outlook: -14.9 ppg, -6.2 rpg, and -5.1 apg. Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) Houston receives: PF Antonio Davis (13.9 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 53 games) PG Alvin Williams (13.2 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.3 apg in 78 games) PF Michael Bradley (5.0 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 1.0 apg in 67 games) Change in team outlook: +14.9 ppg, +6.2 rpg, and +5.1 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Toronto would probably do Cato for Davis...Mooch and MoTay for AWill is just to even things out salary-wise. If Toronto would do this, would anybody here mind?
Damn edit thing... Toronto trades: PF Antonio Davis (13.9 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 35.7 minutes) PG Alvin Williams (13.2 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.3 apg in 33.9 minutes) Toronto receives: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) Change in team outlook: -9.9 ppg, -0.1 rpg, and -4.1 apg. Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) Houston receives: PF Antonio Davis (13.9 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 53 games) PG Alvin Williams (13.2 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 5.3 apg in 78 games) Change in team outlook: +9.9 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and +4.1 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED This is what I meant to post. It's more realistic, and now you have AD/Meech backing up Yao for the Rox and a PF tandem of AD/EGriff. This would probably lead to another trade...you'd end up with the best backup PG in the league. Either that or Cat comes off the bench...lotsa time-splitting to do at the guard spots regardless. PG - Francis/AWill SG - Mobley/Pike/Francis SF - JJ/AGriff/Pike PF - AD/EGriff C - Yao/AD/Meech That's some superb depth at every spot...
oh man I love that trade! I did it yesterday in my head and like the nerd i am around this time of year i wrote out the new lineup with all the new acquisitions and looked at and I liked what I saw. I saw a real team for first time in 4 years. A team of two superstars surrounded by highly skilled smart vets. Like Hakeem and Drexler surrounded by Elie's and Horry's. great trade man.
Gator... I don't even have a realgm account. Does it have to be a 1 on 1 trade instead of a multi player trade? If were just trying to get AD to start we didn't have to get the trade exception. We could have packaged Rice's expiring contract with somebody to get him. No need to jump the loop and get a cancer like Amaechi in return.
Amaech's game may be a rotter but since when is he a cancer? He didn't get along with coaches in Utah, but many haven't before him. Sorry, call Amaechi a marginal talent but be careful with free wheeling cancer comments.
MFW2310 - No, not 1 for 1 but the $ has to match within CBA rules. See Dallas Thomas's example which works $ but I just don't see TOR giving us two of their starters for two of our bench players. Now if Utah is going to cut Rice, why would you think TOR would give us Davis for Rice and change (probably Moochie who has the closest contract for matching)? TOR has $48m committed for 2004-05 and needs to re-sign Mo Pete and take the option on Micheal Bradley which would put them at ~$50m. Add in the contract needed to match Rice and AD and they are at ~$53m. Subtract Rice's $9.6m and they are still over the estimates of next years cap negating the reason any team would take Rice - cap room in '04. BTW - Amaechi is not a cancer. He didn't want to play the game the way Sloan thought it ought to be played. Not many do.
Gater, Not that it matters with regards to aquiring Davis, but according to an article on NBCsports, it looks like Toronto is going to let MoPete become a free agent. Apparently, his starting job is up for grabs between Curry, Murray and himself.
As long as we don't give up big time players and Toronto eats some of his contract, it would be an awesome deal. It sounds like Toronto just wants him out, and Davis wants out, so Toronto may just take the exception and clear up cap space, or take back someone like Mo. Davis up front with Jimmy Jackson and Yao Ming makes the Rockets one of the best teams in league. Not only are we clearly better then the Suns and Blazers (I think we are now), but the Rockets could make a case for being better then Sacramento and Minnesota, maybe even Dallas!
why would they trade davis? vinsanity is supposedly all the way back- which makes them a contender in the east. the rockets aren't the only team with playoff aspirations. anyway, i like davis but in today's market that trade exception should bring us something even better.
Dang...don't you guys get it? this is what the whole trade for Amechi was about....backup center....trade Cato for PF.... toronto gets the 5 they thought they were getting with H.O....houston gets the PF they need, and more importantly, someone with playoff experiance.... you can slam the guy all you want, but he is a good PF....He sucks as a center, which is where toronto has used him....color Mo gone...they'll probably trade him to the Lakers for a signed Shaq jersey...... now, the question is...who will be the fodder thrown in....hmmmm..........
