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David Stern to create a college "stop loss" rule?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by emjohn, Apr 7, 2008.

  1. SamFisher

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    And 99% of them are middle or upper middle class white kids who will not come remotely close to dunking a basketball, let alone having a career in professional sports - you're saying they're going to have the same motivation set as an 18 year old superjock who can't get an 800 on their SATs?
     
  2. Lil Pun

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    Not sure what you're asking here.
     
  3. A_3PO

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    That's what I thought.
     
  4. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    He is implying that Kwame was drafted #1 because of his prodigious appetite for hot dogs, because it is apparent that he is not a very good basketball player.
     
  5. Lil Pun

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    Oh, my bad. lol
     
  6. xcrunner51

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    I strongly disagree with the idea that because high school prospects are able to play basketball at the NBA level it is their right to.

    First off, the argument that the NBA is a business and is entitled to put forth any restrictions on employment they want is perfectly reasonable. If their idea doesn't work and the model collapses, they'll figure that out pretty quickly and waive the age/experience restrictions.

    Secondly, just because high school prospects have the talent to play NBA ball doesn't entitle them to *hit. They were blessed with a gift. Many people are. For instance, if a college freshman decided he wanted to go to med school and had the intelligence to successfully make it in med school, he'd still have to go through and take all the required classes that the med school's ask for. He's not entitled to go to med school just because he's smart enough to handle it.
     
  7. Apollo Creed

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    LMAO, thanks
     
  8. DoitDickau

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    No they may not. The NBA can not unilaterally impose labor restrictions that violate Federal Anti-trust laws. Which may be the case here if this issue is not collectively bargained.
     
  9. sun12

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    NBA could offer a two-year scholarship of $100000 each for the top 20 high school players to go to the college. The condition is that they have to stay in the college for them to get paid.

    Plus the college puts the 2 year rule.



     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    yeah because just because you're smart means you can be a doctor. med school has nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:
     
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  11. Lil Pun

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    I agree with this. Intelligence does not equal success. Success in high school does not equal success. I believe even Michael Jordan didn't make his school team one year.
     
  12. Easy

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    Being smart enough to be a doctor doesn't mean you can be a doctor. Being talented enough to be a pro-basketball player doesn't mean you can.

    Being a productive NBA player requires more than the ability to dribble and shoot. Look at all those busts with tons of potential coming out of high school. You need intelligence. You need good work ethics. You need reasonable people skills. You need maturity. You need team concept. Not to mention, you need all the fundamental skills of playing basketball.

    Does college give you those things? Not necessary. I don't know how to set some requirements to force kids to acquire those required qualities. Ultimately, it is up to the decision makers of NBA teams to smart up. If GMs such as Morey become successful, teams will copy his model, i.e., using scientific methodology to evaluate potential productivity. Lots of industries have been doing that for years. Why isn't pro sports doing it more?
     
  13. spysta

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    Man what is the real deal with this, is the NCAA paying the NBA under the table or something?

    Positive- Its good seeing Derrick rose in college dominating everyone along with Beasley, when there is no nba games on its good to watch some good college games. Rather than in the past where college basketball sucked.

    Negatives- WTF is Stern trying to do, The NBA eats and sleeps comfortable off high school players. KING JAMES, KOBE, KG, TMAC, its like the idiot stern who probably cant even dribble a ball is trying to keep people out of the nba.

    WHAT HAPPENS TO THE NEXT SHAUN LIVINGSTON? at UNC what? he ends up completely screwed over because some idiot says you have to wait two years and play ball for free while the university makes a KILLING OFF YOUR TALENT.

    What about the Derrick Rose's of the world who win in a National Championship there freshman year because that are way to amazing for college ball. What about them? they should come back again and win another one, once again for free?

    This rule benefits COLLEGE BASKETBALL and thats it...

    Which leads me to believe that Stern is getting paid under the table.

    INVESTIGATE HIM NOW!!
     
  14. Apollo Creed

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    If you don't understand why a 2 year rule would be good for NBA basketball, there's no point in bothering trying to explain it to you...

    BTW, if Livingston injured himself in college he isn't being screwed by anyone but his own fragile frame. He isn't entitled to NBA money he gets for free by being injured. Funny you mentioned him, as he's a player who really could've benefit from college ball.
     
  15. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    20 years? Until recently they just went to the NBA. Kiddos just haven't caught on yet. Some savvy agent will scoop one up and make a fortune. Just wait.
     
  16. spysta

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    Honestly, do you think sending kobe to college would have made him a better player today, or any of the current superstars that came from high school?
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Bryant, McGrady and Garnett all had very pedestrian stats their rookie seasons.

    The NBA survived just fine with Durant and Oden going to school and would survive just as well with them being in school 2 years, 3 years or 4 years. the same with Rose, Beasley or any outstanding 18-19 year old player.
     
  18. insane man

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    a business putting any restrictions on employment is reasonable? not according to our law.
     
  19. spysta

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    To me its like you get an accounting degree, and when you graduate, your not allowed to be paid for accounting and auditing for 2 years while your doing all the work, but the company supplies you with room and board.

    Would any of you agree to a ridiculous rule like this?

    No
     
  20. MR. MEOWGI

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    What are you talking about?
     

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