The point is, Carr cannot be on winning team if he does not have good/great players around him. I think other teams around the league know this. They would not want to trade for a guy with ABSOLUTLY NO LEADERSHIP SKILLS.
I am a big Cowboys fan, and I would trade Bledsoe and our 2nd and 3rd. Maybe with another 3rd. But no way do you give up a first rounder for David Carr. Even picking 23 or 24, you still get to fill a need, and I like Tony Romo. Lets let him try, maybe this year more likely next.
David Carr is a mediocre QB at best. What's the point of comparing him to Joey Harrington? If you really want to make Carr look good, why not compare him to Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Ryan Leaf, or Heath Shuler?
Yes, but Carr had a bad game yesterday and Harrington had a decent one. Quit throwing those stats (facts) into the argument. Stats (facts) don't mean anything. We're 1-4 and even though we have nothing even RESEMBLING a running game, no run defense, no pass defense, fumbling kick returners, etc. it's all David Carr's fault!!!!!!!! DAVID CARR SUX!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!
Bush yesterday: 11 carries, 25 yds. Dayne yesterday: 10 carries, 15 yds. Bush would be a 167% improvement!!! Bush on the year: 65 carries, 195 yds (32.5 yds/g) Dayne on the year 57 carries, 167 yds (41.8 yds/g) Bush has been good for 28 more yards!!! With Bush on our team at a reasonable $26 million guaranteed, we wouldn't have the running problems that we do today. Clearly. ROY!!!* *assuming his teammate doesn't get it instead.
I'll take the middle ground here: 1. david carr needs to be replaced; 2. but if you don't make changes elswhere, as well, it won't matter. On one hand some of you are throwing everything at Carr's feet. That's ridiculous. This whole team sucks. On the other hand, some of you are defending Carr because everyone else sucks. The guy is approaching 4.5 years in. I haven't seen enough to convince me he's the guy. Frankly, I think he's limiting our options at this point. I'd move on.
Bush is also a #2 running back right now and he is not taking the majority of carries, Dayne is a STARTER
What do you mean by "move on"? Draft another QB and risk another 5 years of not living up to potential? Start Sage? Is David Carr the next Joe Montana? Of course not. Is he living up to being the #1 overall draft pick? Of course not. In hindsight should we have taken a QB at #1? I don't think so. But at this point, is there a better alternative? I don't think so. Too many other holes to fill. Carr has been serviceable this year. Has the O-line been serviceable? Has the defensive secondary been serviceable? Has the D-line been serviceable? Have our RB's been serviceable? No, no, no, and no. QB is so far down the totem pole as far as needs go for this team. That's the only reason I "defend" Carr.
No quarterbacks win games by themselves, so it's pretty hard to take the rest of it seriously. Winning and losing games is the product of 53 players working together on Sundays and a cumulative product, not the skillset of one individual player. Sorry. You name me some of these quarterbacks who have kept their team competitive and in games with poor talent, and then let's compare that talent to the Texans. While it might be somewhat true, it's true to an extent. It doesn't always work that way, and the Texans have an overall talent level right now that Joe Montana or Brett Favre in their primes couldn't elevate.
Has there ever been a point within those 4.5 years that the whole team didn't suck? That's why I think it's so ridiculous to make judgments.
[Sarcasm]Yeah...no QB's get drafted and come in and do well. It never happens. We should stick with David Carr, because there's no opportunity cost. There's just no way possible that anyone else, draftee or free agent, could come in and do any better. And since we're gonna have our big rebuilding year next season, and we think we are so capable of competing to win it all next year, we really oughta stick with David.[/sarcasm] I agree with you this team has bigger problems to deal with. But Carr is part of the problem. He's the poster-boy of a failed culture. I don't want to see him be given a free pass after another losing season again. Not again.
Yeah...they've all sucked. So we should keep them all, then. I mean, after all, since they've all sucked, I don't wanna be unfair with any one of them. Come on...this is pro sports. You get it done or you go somewhere else.
There are always free agent QB's out there who can provide a steady hand - a Brad Johnson type. You go get one of those and see how the team does. There's nothing that says this team needs a young QB or needs to build around a QB at this point. Until you have seen the same team with a different QB, it's impossible to really say how much of it is the QB vs all the other talent around him.
Your first paragraph contradicts your secound paragraph. David Carr looked just as good if not better than Brady Quinn his senior year at Fresno. And don't tell me Fresno didn't play anybody, no one wanted to play Fresno. I'm sorry, I just don't buy into all this vauge "he's not a winner" talk. I just look at how he plays. He is one of the few bright spots on the team this year. You mentioned AJ and Moulds, but oddly enough didn't mention the guy who has been getting them the ball. Again, I'm not saying Carr is the answer at QB for the next 10 years. But his play this year has been improved from crappy to serviceable. That's why you fill other needs before you fill the need at QB. But Carr has been better than Brad Johnson this year. That's my point. Carr has been one of the few players on this team that has been serviceable this year. Why is there not a thread saying we should trade AJ? Yes, he's having a good year like Carr, but AJ hasn't given us a winning season since he's been here. He's the poster-boy of a failed culture. I don't want to see him be given a free pass after another losing season again. Not again.
we'll agree to disagree then...because i wouldn't pass again on an opportunity to upgrade at QB in the midst of making other improvements to this team.
fixed it for ya oh, and the amazin's won last night. just thought i'd let you know since you are not watching the series
How's that explain: Bush: 3 yds/carry Dayne: 2.9 yds/carry Or do #2 RBs not get the #1 O-Line either? No matter how you cut it, or if you simply watch the plays, Bush has been INEFFECTIVE as a RUNNING back. He's been good as a dump route third reciever. He dances L-R and gets eaten. Deuce can blast throw a line, and that's why he's still the #1 back in NO. Evan
It sure would have been nice if we could have conned New Orleans out of Deuce and the #2 pick in exchange for the #1 pick.
well our #2 (samkon)avgs 2.7 a carry... Reggie may be the 2nd rb but he is on the field the same amount as a starter. He is struggling especially at rb. He looks good as a wr but not a rb.
