And to be frank, other than the fact that the Bears have loads of talent and the Texans have none, there isn't much different between Rex and David, is there? Both had horrible seasons last year. Both were off to fantastic starts this year. Both had poor performances in week 6 (Rex even moreso than David). Obviously you'd have to be objective to see that, but objectivity and ClutchFans.net don't belong in the same sentence.
You lost me, are you saying Carr=Rex, or saying it is laughable to compare them because of their situations?
They have loads more talent on defense. The texans have more offensive talent, especially recievers. There is no way the Bears would be as good as they are if Carr was their QB instead of Rex
The bottom line is winning. Rothlesburger may not look like Joe Montana but he delivered in the playoffs and brought the Steelers a SuperBowl. The QB position is a leadership position, so Carr has to show leadership. When Vince Young played against the Colts, Dwight Freeney had a hard time tackling him. this is the same Dwight Freeney than squashed David Carr like a grape.
I just blew Coke all over my screen and keyboard. The Texans have more offensive talent than: --The Houston Zoo --My 8th grade team that scored 1 TD--ALL YEAR --My nose hairs I can't think of much else. Unless you're not discussing the entire offense, only QB and R. Then, the Texans are looking pretty good. But once you add in the other 7 or 8 guys, the Texans offense is a steaming pile of crap.
The Bears have a much better Oline, much better backs, much better TE, and better 2nd (Muhammad or the blazing Berrian, take your pick) and 3rd WRs (Davis). The only two offensive players on the Texans that would start for the Bears are Andre Johnson and Carr. But if you think Rex is better than Carr, or that Carr wouldn't be 6-0 with the Bears, I don't know what to tell you.
1. because i don't see us developing a QB who's already been in the league 4 years. because i've seen the guy actually go backwards before this season. because i'd rather take a chance on guys with more upside, if you're gonna lose anyway. i feel like i know what we have with david carr. 2. it's moderately insulting to suggest that because of i have an opinion that differs from you, i'm a sheep. i'm certain you find your own opinions more valid. great. that and a quarter will get you a pack of gum...or maybe your own website regarding pro football in houston. yeah, i think we passed up something special in VY. i said then, i can't believe we're letting david carr stand in the way of that. i stand by that opinion. 3. i've already said that i recongize there are people out there who are making these decision who know more than i do. that's true in every sport out there, frankly. but it doesn't stop us from critiquing them, does it? frankly, i'm sure you, me and trained chimps could do a better job putting together a roster than the previous administration of this franchise did...so while it's persuasive in some ways that the guy who's getting paid to do the job knows more than i do about it, it's equally unpersuasive in others. 4. my opinion on this issue is nothing more than my opinion. i'm not asserting that i know more than gary kubiak or gary coleman on the issue. i've grown tired of the david carr years. i know you can offer up a 100000000000 excuses for david as to why that's not all his fault. but it's more than just a little bit his fault. i made my share of excuses for dave, as well. for a very long time. i'm tired of it.
They're not excuses. You can dismiss them or be tired of them all you like, but they're FACTS. I'm sorry you're tired of it. FYI, we're *all* tired of the sucktitude. Some of us have a more accurate grasp of its cause than others.
oh lord, that's not arrogant, you have more of a grasp of the problems. maybe you're in the wrong business. they're not all facts, I say carr holds the ball to long, you don't, that's a difference of opinion. not your grasp of a fact.
Biggio and Bagwell didn't hit in the playoffs before 2004. T-mac has never won a post-season series. Charles Barkley never won a championship. The Astros haven't won a World Series game. David Carr hasn't developed as a QB. All of the previous statments can be made, and are 100% accurate. However, all of the statements contain circumstances beyond that player/team's control that HAVE to be taken into account when evaluating that statement.
you've assured me time and time again that your grasp is more "accurate." that your opinion is FACT. discussion on this issue is impossible with you. why do you keep engaging my argument? you know you're right. move along.
But they also have to do with some criteria that is absolutely WITHIN their control. Look..at the end of the day, you have accomplishment in sports, or you don't. That's one of the things we like about sports. The Astros haven't won a World Series game...THEY'VE ABSOLUTELY EARNED THAT!! Barkley never won a championship...OTHERS WON WITH FAR LESS THAN HE HAD IN PHOENIX! T-Mac has never won a post-season series...YEAH, NO KIDDING. Biggio and Bagwell didn't hit in the playoffs....WHOSE FAULT IS THAT??? In pro sports, you either get it done, or you don't. It's why Franchise went back to just being called Francis. It's why coaches get fired when their hitters don't hit. This is a results-oriented business. At the end of the day...Barkley still doesn't have a ring. All the excuses in the world don't make him feel better about that, I assure you.
Agreed... I'm just saying that with Carr, the team's faults have been greater (and more contributory to the situation) than the actual faults of him as a QB(which are once again intertwined with the team). The argument will hold true when people start clamoring for Andre Johnson to be traded because he doesn't catch the ball consistently enough when thrown to. Or when Dunta Robinson continues to regress, and continues to get picked on. Or when the entire o-line from 2002-2004 is eventually replaced in the span of 2 years (only Pitts remains currently, as McKinney will apparently never see the field again). This team is awful... beyond awful... and when you consider that they started as an expanion team (ie - had no previous track record of success, or failure, or recovery from failure), they're abysmal. They've failed to build the fundamental cores of a team (o-line, d-line), they've failed to use the multiple draft picks they were given to gain depth, they've failed to maintain consistency with the coaches, and they've failed to have an impact free agent signing. (this is all pre-Kubiak regime). And if Kubiak is deciding to turn this around by building up the o-line and d-lines FIRST.... before you even think about addressing the QB/RB/WR/TE/FS/CB positions... he has more foresight than the man picked to build this expansion team in 2002. If Carr doesn't pan out after those other areas have improved, throw him under the bus... I'm, however willing to give him a chance... something he hasn't had till this year started. But to write him off after the last year and a half regressions... considering all the other problems this team had... is just as short-sighted as the people who ran this franchise in the first place. The same people who thought Steve McKinney, Todd Wade, and Seth Wand "weren't the problem." The same people who thought Jason Babin and Phillip Buchannon were worth multiple first day draft picks. The same people who thought that 7-9 team was "ready to make the playoffs."
Nick -- if it makes you feel better, i agree with MOST of what you just said! i just don't believe carr is the answer at QB.
That's fine... I just don't believe anybody could have seen enough to come to that conclusion, one way or the other. And that's still not taking into account the improvement every year till last year (where everything fell apart for everybody), and the continued improvement at the start of this year.
you're a good man charlie brown...but 4.5 years is enough. teams make huge decisions on players with tons of money at stake with far less information than is gathered in 4.5 years.
This isn't a team... its a disaster. 4.5 years of disaster. A disaster that perpetuated with tons of money at stake with far less sense/knowledge/action than most disasters. Disasters that have only been re-encarnated as a "team" in just the past 6 months need more time for evaluation. That's my only argument.
we definitely agree on the state of the team! i'm just not willing to entirely seperate mr. carr from all of that.
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