No, but Carr has played decent. Not spectacular, not great, not amazing, but decent. On a team with a completely terrible defense and a running game that is completely non-existant. Put him on a team with a good running game and a good defense where he doesn't feel he absolutely has to score everytime he touches the ball, and you'll be singing a different tune. David Carr is probably the last person Texans fans who have watched the game should be b****ing about.
The majority of third and short situations have resulted in running calls from the coaches. That's not Carr's fault. And you can certainly win with an OK QB. See Dilfer, Trent. Again, David Carr is pretty much the last person Texans fans should be b****ing at with regards to this season. Where's the b****ing about Johnson who dropped at least three passes for first downs on Sunday? Where's the b****ing about some of the God-awful play calling by the coaches? Nah, forget that, David Carr isn't Joe Montana, so let's concentrate the b****ing on him.
Anyone that thinks Carr is better than or equal to Eli Manning , Drew Brees, Big Ben or even Leftwitch is crazy. Desert Scar- Eli Manning has it, I hate to admit, it because I dont like the Giants. He is no Peyton, but he is no David Carr either. Drew Brees- Guy is a winner. Not the most talented. But in wins in SD, and now NO, even if they crumble in the 2nd half. Considering he came back from Shoulder surgery. Way better than Carr. Leftwitch is a veteran like Carr, and while Lefty is not great, he is better than Carr. (Check this Sunday.) Big Ben has a SB. David may be a decent QB down the line. But this team, is at least 3 years away. Trade him for a first if you can get it I live in Houston so I kind of like the Texans, but they are a ways away.
Leinart had a poor running game and has an awful offensive line and he looked good last night against the #1 defense in football. He's a rookie who went 10th overall, Carr is a 4 year veteran who went #1 overall. Could you imagina, David Carr, against the Bears defense on Monday night football? I'd say trainwreck.
I believe that if everything else had been the same, but you inserted David Carr instead of Leinart, then Carr could've done just as well. I'm not trying to take anything away from Leinart at all, but I really think the coaches called a great game for him in the first half. Leinart did look like a trainwreck in the second until that last drive.
those are certainly possible; though, at 28, i'd argue that he's hardly "old," even by running back standards, and for three years ('01-'03), he didn't rank among the top 10 in carries, so i'm not sure that's entirely relevant, either. but, yes, i suppose those are all viable possibilities.... because i actually don't think ANY of those are viable possibilities. i think his drop in production coincided with his move from a great team (indianapolis) to a mediocre one (arizona). period. end of story. or maybe it's just a coincidence that last year, for the 14-2 colts, james averaged 100.4 rushing yds/game (second most of his career, meaning he's actually getting better, not older or overused) and is averaging nearly 40 fewer yards/game this year with the cardinals, who've won 16 games total the past 3.5 years. ALL great players - and edgerrin james is a no-brainer great player - struggle without sufficient supporting talent. even quarterbacks selected first overall. i guess the frustration here is that among 100 things you could be upset about in regards to the texans, carr right now is probably 101. so why is that drum getting beaten over and over and over again? and not just by you, but far too many others? no "winner" throughout history ever carried a team; the GREAT ones - ALL OF THEM - were surrounded by scores of talent. carr hasn't even been surrounded by a whiff of talent. and we continue to bash him because people seem too lazy to find new (read: accurate) reasons to bash the team. his offensive line is god-awful; the running game even worse. his "best" receiver continues to drop passes (aj had 3 on sunday) and his defense is bordering on being one of the worst units in the history of football. if you want to extract ANY enjoyment out of 2006, it's either going to come from a) watching carr improve and appreciating said advancements, or b) rooting for another team. that's the legacy of capers and casserly. if carr IS a bust, then this team is set back even further than you think. if you harbor any hope that this turnaround can appraoch "quick," you're going to need david carr to be good. if not, it could 4-5 years before we sniff respectable.
I think that one pick was just a hell of a play by the defender. There was also a fumble. One throw by Carr really sucked. I also don't think it is Carr's fault we couldn't get a touchdown on the 1 yardline. The Texans suck more than Carr.
i really didn't suggest that Carr wasn't a winner. i don't think he is, frankly. but it's not my argument. there is no quick turnaround. i'd love to be wrong. but there isn't one. i'd love to be wrong about carr. i'd love to be wrong about the texans. i don't see a quick turnaround. this is one of the reasons i wanted VY in the offseason....because i never bought into the idea that we were doing anything but entirely rebuilding...so the suggestion that we didn't want to wait on VY to develop before we started winning was a non-starter to me....because i was convinced we were gonna have to wait to win, anyway. sadly, i think we may be waiting longer than i ever imagined. i never imagined the team would be THIS BAD. i'm tired of david carr. i'm tired of the excuses. i'm tired of all of it. i hate the fact we spent a #1 pick on this guy. i hate the fact that we've refused to offer up competition for him since he's been here. i've seen enough. i know -- who cares? my decision doesn't mean jack. there are people who earn their living making these decisions who admittedly know far more than i do about all of it. but i've seen enough. i think this team needs wholesale change. i think this FRANCHISE needs wholesale change. maybe a change of scenery will allow david a chance to be a good QB somewhere else. fine. and you guys have this misguided notion that me and others here think that merely replacing the QB will solve the problem. i've yet to read any post that states that. completely unrelated point that you shouldn't spend much time arguing with --- John Elway is, in my opinion, the greatest NFL player I've ever seen. He did more with less than any player I've ever seen. He had very little running attack supporting the teams he took to the Super Bowl before Terrell Davis. Sammy Winder?? He had the Three Amigos who were good, but not great by any measure. They did have good defenses. But Elway was the show. And he made more out of that team than I think anyone else would have been able to.
K. Garnett is a Timberwolvee. What would the score of the game have been of Carr was a Cowboy and Bledsoe was a Texan?
Thats my point. Why would you start any poor team with a qb? I mean build your team 1st then go get your qb. I thought the Texans shaould have draft ed a qb till yr 3.
I'm not sure what he's done that's been so terrible. Yes, he had a bad half on Sunday. That's about it. He is not anywhere close to the reason why we're 1-4. Hell, even if he wouldn't have thrown those INTs on Sunday, we probably still would've lost. I hope this post pasts muster.
The fact that we have to debate if Carr, a QB who has been in the league for 5 years now, "could" do as well as Leinart last night is sad. I don't see the difference between Carr against the Cowboys and Leinart against the Bears being coaching. I mean neither QB has an offensive line, neither has a running game, both have good receivers. Leinart was facing the best defense in the league by a mile... I think Chicago has given up 2 offensive touchdowns all year and both were meaningless second half TDs in complete routs? Leinart threw 2 touchdown passes in the first <I>quarter</i>. Yes, the Texans have a lot of problems unrelated to Carr, but I don't see how Carr elevated his team at all on Sunday, where Leinart did. I don't believe Carr is the Texans' main problem -- I think he'll pan out -- but like I said in an earlier post, if they keep losing, eventually they have to get rid of him. Players on both sides of the ball have to have confidence in their leader, and 4, 5, 6 years of losing could prove too much. At some point, a fresh start is needed for both player and team.
Clutch good point. I think Carr is shell shocked. I mean the yr DD ran for 1400 yrds what did he do then? I think he has talent, but in the nfl leadership is just as important. Its kinda like K.Collins had talent, but i dont think players would run through a wall for him. I think players look at the qb as doing everything neccessary to win a game nstead of woe is me. The Texans had chances to win that game, but Carr made 2 mistakes at the wrong time. I think by him never competeting for the spot didn't help either. I just think that next season is time to bring in somone to compete for the qb spot either by draft or trade. Tools are only part of the equation. Just make it happen.
Absolutely right on all accounts. I was very impressed with both Leinart and the play calling for him. I'd like to see Carr in the shotgun more often.
