If that's what we'd like to do, then sure. Every week there are compelling new examples of how the O-Line sucks, how the management has royally screwed up, how David Carr (for whatever reason) is not performing and how all of this can be traced back to the astounding failure that was the 2005 offseason.
You guys watching VICK/ELI that's what #1 PICK DO!! not run around getting sack dont know what to do and FUMBLE the ball!! It has been 4yrs he's Tim Couch I tell you!! Couch threw for 3,000+ yrds one yrd and took his team 7-9 too!
I watched Eli yesterday have 4-6 seconds in the pocket to throw the ball on most occasions. I'm watching Vick now with similar protection. Until I see them with 1-2 seconds before having the defense in their faces, there's zero comparison.
ummm..i don't think i'd be using vick's performance tonight as an example of the grass being greener on the other side. 5/14 for 35 yards passing and an interception. SUPERSTAR!!!
The problem with ditching Carr is that the alternatives may not do that well with this team either. Leinart is even less mobile than Carr and would be eaten up with our line. Vince Young is good but he lives solely on his overwhelming athleticism. He can either become another Michael Vick which can be nice but won't work with a team with no O-Line and no solid recievers meaning that teams will pack the box with Linebackers and linemen. Finally, Marcus Vick might be the best hope in my mind but he's still raw at this point. But I think he'll hopefully become more like Donavan McNabb rather than his brother. But he seems to have enough mobility to not get totally killed. He still isn't totally mature at running a complicated offense and really consists of running a little and throwing deep balls. Still if we do decide to go with a qb, i'd go with marcus vick because he seems to have the most potential. But 1st and foremost, we need an offensive line. I wouldn't be opposed to trading down and getting some extra picks so we can beef up the O-Line and the linebackers.
I say they hope some team falls in love with Leinart and is willing to trade their asses away for him. The talent is so depleted they need to get a couple of impact players in the first round and plenty of bodies. I would burn one of the later picks on the Notre Dame QB. The people who need to go are Capers and Casserly. They spent valuable picks and resources to move up like they were on the verge of being a contender. The fact that they spent these picks on players that have not panned out is one big strike against them, but that happens sometimes. Recalling what they gave up for Babin and Buchanon makes me wince everytime I think about it. More damning is that I think they set up Carr to fail by refusing to do anything about their offensive line. This is my biggest problem. I also think they were foolish to get rid of their defensive leadership. It's not like they brought in playmakers, anyway. With a young defense that is probably going to be on the field a lot Sharper and Glenn sure would have helped them from letting games get away from them like they have this year. Whatever happens they need new leadership from top to bottom. They may be as bad as the early 80's Oilers which boggles the mind. Should we bring back Ladd Herzeg?
You're right Jarad. We gotta get 2 bookends out of this next draft. This offense ain't goin nowhere without them. We lost big time on Boselli and it has put us into this jam. Unitas, Marino, Montana, and Elway couldn't get these guys down the field. We've gotta get those big tackles in this draft, especially the blindside left. Pitts is not a tackle. He is a guard....period. Put him and Weigert at the guards around McKinney and get us the big boys on the outside and then put Mathis in there with Andre and let 'em grow together. Look for a TE with great hands in the lower middle rounds and give Carr the weapons he needs. Give him a chance to drive something besides a broke down Yugo.
Because his talent would be absolutely wasted behind our line. Not to mention, there's no such thing as a sure thing. Just because Reggie Bush is a badass in college doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be a badass in the NFL. If they don't go OL, the Texans have no idea what they're doing. Something tells me they won't go OL.
most overrated player in the NFL. a QB who CAN'T beat you with his arm who gets run with guys like mcnabb and manning.
I've always been under the school of thought that you take the best player available period, unless that player is a QB and you already have a good one. Reggie Bush would not be a waste even behind this offensive line. He is a much better player than Domanick Davis and is arguably best player in the country right now. The offensive line can be addressed in subseqent picks and free agency...besides the offensive line problem won't be totally fixed for probably a couple more years. Reggie Bush is a game changer. You don't pass up a guy like that. The offensive line should be the #1 priority no doubt, but that doesn't mean you stop trying to get better at the other skill positions. The Texans defense needs serious help too..perhaps even more so than the offense.There have been many top teams with a top 5 defense and a mediocre offense. I don't think we get any better by throwing all our eggs at the Offensive line. We need to get better in all aspects. I could live with the offense struggling if our defense was top notch. First things first though, Capers and Casserly must be fired, then we can start building this team back up.
1.we really need to think about trading carr to a team thats starving for a qb that has a decent 1st round pick. 2. Draft Bush with our first pick. We have DD right now, but you cant pass up on talent like bush. it would be r****ded to pass it up. he is a rare breed of atheleticism. He can do it all. We could keep DD still in the back, and have bush as a WR. 3. Draft an OL player... the draft is deep in them so im sure their will be some still around. 4. Try to sign some OL free agents in the offseason 5. I know your thinking...well now we dont have a qb. Well thats just fine for right now because we wont be able to compete next year regardless of what we do. We can use Ragone for a year and tought it out for a year. 6. We will probably not be that great again next year since we have ragone starting... hopefully we will have a high enough draft pick to pick up vicent young. BAM, thats how i would do it
Again, please remember that there is no such thing as a sure thing in the draft. Just because Reggie Bush is the best player in college football does not mean he will be a star in the NFL. I'm not saying he won't, but quit acting like he is a sure thing. What is for certain is that our OL is one of the worst ever. Reggie Bush would be completely wasted on our team. Who cares if he does pan out, he won't win you any games playing behind our OL. If you're the Texans and you have a chance to take a highly rated OL with your first pick, you have to do it. We're going to have the 1st pick in the draft five years into existence. You have to draft based on need, not best player available. There are no guarantees that you will be able to draft a highly-rated one later in the draft or that there will be a proven one available to you in free agency.
I like your ideas...but I would keep Carr. He gives us the best chance to win. I think in the right offensive system Carr can flourish. I think the next head coach needs to be more offensive minded, but will hire the best damn defensive coordinator out there. If you draft Reggie Bush, Domanick Davis is expendable. They can trade him.
1.we really need to think about trading carr to a team thats starving for a qb that has a decent 1st round pick. Carr's value is extremely low right now, you'd probably be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him, especially with his salary for next season. Furthermore, McNair has marketed him as the face of the Texans so Carr most likely isn't going anywhere. 2. Draft Bush with our first pick. We have DD right now, but you cant pass up on talent like bush. it would be r****ded to pass it up. he is a rare breed of atheleticism. He can do it all. We could keep DD still in the back, and have bush as a WR. Davis is in the same boat as Carr in that the Texans gave him a nice raise and extension. However, if the Texans weren't so dismal this year and they had a chance to upgrade RB position they'd probably do it. With the O-Line woes you have to take your most pressing need. 3. Draft an OL player... the draft is deep in them so im sure their will be some still around. You're right the draft is deep but so is your need for the position, thats why its imperative to get two lineman in this draft. I'm all for skill players and nothing would make me happier to have a premiere player (with all due respect to Andre Johnson) at any position. But the reason most people don't like picking lineman with a high pick is because you don't see the benefits right away, the line very seldomly gets any recognition, but believe half he QB's in this league wouldn't be who they are if it weren't for the big guys blocking for them. 4. Try to sign some OL free agents in the offseason See Victor Riley, Todd Wade, and Steve McKinney. 5. I know your thinking...well now we dont have a qb. Well thats just fine for right now because we wont be able to compete next year regardless of what we do. We can use Ragone for a year and tought it out for a year. I'm all for seeing Ragone on the field, but only when its a blowout. Ragone will most likely be traded for more picks or move up when Banks leaves. 6. We will probably not be that great again next year since we have ragone starting... hopefully we will have a high enough draft pick to pick up vicent young. Why do you think Vince Young is so good? The obvious answer is his great athleticism, but he has arguably the best O-Line in college football. Thats why he can camp out in the pocket (which he has been doing more of lately) or run if he chooses. If he were on the Texans, all he could do is run and he wouldn't last long with safeties, corners and linebackers keying in on him, knowing exactly what he is going to do. BAM, thats how i would do it I respect your opinion, but I disagree with what should be done. I think O-Line is the way to go, but to each his own.
That is the kind of thinking that got us in the position we are in now. You draft based on NEED, not just because someone is a talent. So you have Bush and Davis back there with the same O-line? How is that going to help?
I think it is more of an argument based on improvement. Vince Young may not be able to do anything behind our offensive line, but who can? He may be able to at least be more successful than Carr. Carr is never going to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Of course, that's fine. As has been poitned out, you don't need guys like that to win the Superbowl. But imo, he'll never be a Trent Dilfer type either. He makes too many mistakes - interceptions, fumbles or just plain missed reads and throws. Yes, a lot of that is because he is under pressure and no one is ever open. But he is nonetheless interception prone.
two words: Munchak, Matthews two more words: Denver Broncos If you want your offense to be successful over the long haul (and we're not good enough to be thinking short-term solutions), you have to have a strong line. Carr may or may not be a problem - it is at least debatable. The o-line IS a problem (anyone debating that?) and we will never be successful until that is fixed. ...and apparently that's not going to happen via free agency. It hasn't worked so far anyway. As far as drafting a new QB... we staked our franchise on Carr being great, who's to say drafting a new, "great" QB will be any more successful. Plenty of high QB picks have fizzled in the past. It's a gamble, not a guarantee we will be better. I don't envy the decision that will have to be made about re-upping Carr, though. He has great skill, but just looks so damn stupid sometimes. I've called for his head many times because of mistakes that had nothing to do with the line. I just don't think he's the highest priority problem we have right now.
