DAVID CARR needs to go ......... (seriously)

The problem is even if you think Carr might be good it shouldn't matter. We should draft Leinart because he will be one of the next great Quarterbacks and Carr never will be. You draft Leinart and let him sit for a year while we wait for O line to improve or get some new O line help. I think carr could be good but never great and he needs another chance on another team. Leinart will be great.

 

How much longer do you want to wait? We can't *wish* them better, which has apparently been Casserly's strategy. The time to get some new o-line help is in the next draft, IMO.

 

I'm going to pop you.

A) There's no guarantee that Leinart will be great.
B) A "great" QB doesn't necessarily equal a championship. See Dilfer, Trent (even though I love the guy).

It would be the biggest dumbheaded move to draft anything but an OL in April. That's why you're probably right in guessing that they will draft Leinart. They'll probably end up trading two draft picks to draft him even though they'll have the first pick. That's how dumb Casserly is.

 

Of course, it doesn't matter how good the driver is if the vehicle he's driving has a crappy engine. Put Leinart in a run-down '79 Chevette and he looks just as bad as Carr.

Not to mention there's no such thing as a sure thing. Saying Leinart will be just as good as Vick/Palmer/Eli or any other young semi-successful QB is just a guess. You have absolutely no idea whether or not he will succeed in the NFL.

 

I`m in Omaha so all I get to see are the highlights and look at this board and the Chronicle but it seems like Mcnair and some tough choices coming up. I was in Houston up through the last season and the Texans looked like they were ready for the next level but have regressed in serious fashion. Its hard to imagine everyone calling Carr a bust since the last 3 years he has progressed each season.

 

Its very tempting with all the QBs comign out in this draft.

-Matt Lienart
-Vincent Young
-Marcus Vick

But Ive heard the Texans are leaning toward Reggie Bush.

I can see your point, but there are way more gaping holes on the roster than QB.

Even if you were to draft another #1 pick QB, I dont think it would be the end all solution. This team has some major rebuilding ahead of it. The O-Line alone will take years.

 

Put any good QB behind our OL and they're screwed. They freaking suck. I can't stand the moves Casserly and Capers has made to this team. Ridiculous.

Might as well put a gun to Carr's head and end his misery. If you really think Carr is the problem, you're not a Texans fan.

 

How on earth does *this* follow logically?? I'm not intentionally singling you out, dude; the whole "you're not a true fan" sctick is annoying and logically unsound. Lucky is a "true fan" -- if he weren't how on earth would he be so passionate about what he feels the Texans should do to get to the next level? I think he's dead wrong, but that doesn't call into question whether or not he's a "true fan". (Most of my irritation on this issue comes from baseball discussion.)

 

Here's a thought...I think USC would be the same team regardless if they had Carr or Lineart right now. Carr and Lineart as far as skill level are about the same..I really don't think you gain much of anything at all. The mistakes that Carr makes like running out of bounds behind the line and not just getting rid of the football while outside the tackles can easily be corrected by a good coaching. I think Capers and Casserly need to go now so a new coach and GM can get in here and size up what's useable on this team and what's trash and go from there. All good QB's need time to grow and mature into great QB's, that's something Carr has not had with this offensive line. You can't just ignore the defense either though...the Texans can't mount a decent pass rush to save their lives. As far as I'm concerned...Vic Fangio should have been let go too along with Palmer. Capers can handle the defense himself, I know he is more than capable of handling that from his days in Pittsburgh.

 

Exactly. Bust Capers to D-coordinator (I know that just isn't feasible) and hire a new GM and head coach. This team reeks of poor coaching--bad execution, bad follow through, no adjustments at halftime, bad fundamentals. I was so excited about both of these guys four years ago--but it is past time for them to go.

 

Isn't part of the answer to this question how much can you get for him?

Personally, I'd be interested in seeing how much you can get for both Carr and DD. Unfortunately, I'd imagine less than some people think. I mean, wasn't Ed. James avaialble for a 2nd round pick this offseason - I know it was contractual issue that lowered the value so much, but still, you certainly aren't going to get a 1st rounder for DD, I don't think.

If you could get a relatively decent 1st round pick for Carr, that'd be great, but I doubt you could. Maybe Baltimore? Mayeb NO, Maimi, Chicago? I doubt it, though.

Maybe you could package those guys into a relatively high first round pick - say top 10, would you?

At which point you'd have a top pick to draft either Leinart or Bush and a top offensive lineman.

 

How about we wait for Leinart to actually see a pass rush and have surrounding players that aren't leaps and bounds better than the opposition before we declare that he's so great at the professional level?

 

Carr is not a bust and he's not going anywhere. At least not for a few more painful years. His pain and ours.

Dom and Charley will get ****-canned before the pretty face of the Texans.

 

and rightly so, don't ya think?

 

Unfortunately losing breeds hindsight. Most of us, the fans, look at some of the questionable moves that the GM and staff have made and say that if we picked Clinton Portis instead of Chester Pitts, or Jason Witten instead of Bennie Joppru, or kept all those picks instead of trading them all for Babin, that we'd be a winning team. I think thats a load, because a good coaching staff can get the most out of their players, and it is painfully obvious that the Texans ar not giving their all. he coaching needs to be shown the door.

The Texans and Casserly started out with promise, he knew that to be successful you need a good set of bookends for he O-Line, hello Ryan Young and Tony Bosseli. Neither player panned out as we all know and in the second draft we took Andre Johnson (a no-brainer) but in the later rounds we picked up Dave Ragone with the 4th round pick? That should have been a red flag. We also took Drew Henson who we traded for a 3rd rounder. What happened to the original plan of geting a good set of bookends for the O-Line? Carr was sacked 76 times and knocked down countless others. If Carr was such an investment why then would the Texans not go after some protection for him?

Nonetheless, as tempting as Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart are I would still take D'Brickshaw Ferguson first. In fact my plan would be to trade the top pick down two of three slots to a QB-starved team and then take Ferguson. Hoping that I netted at least another second rounder, I try to trade that and my third for another first to get either Jonathan Scott (Texas) or Marcus McNeil (Auburn) or Eric Winson (Miami). Plant both picks at opposite sides of the line and maybe that could garner Carr enough time to throw. Not that I'm saying they are the next Ogden or Pace, but its worth it to the Texans' investment in David Carr to finally get some O-Line help.

IMO, I think the jury is still out on Carr. He has shown some potential to get things done and shown the potential to be a bust. Personally I believe he has no faith in his line. Get him some big bodies that can block and he'll be a different QB. I'll still root for them, I'll still cringe when they screw up, I'll still cuss at them, but it doesn't make me any less of a fan.

 

now all you have to do is find a way to make me owner so i can hire you as my new GM. i agree, entirely.

 

all these suggestions to put banks in and see what he does.....what about dave ragone? isnt it kind of obvious that they need to see what they have in him?

 

I'm old enough to remember when Dan Pastorini was a talented, highly regarded rookie in '71 when he came up with the Oilers. Unfortunately, because the O-line was WORSE than this one was, he spent most of his Sunday afternoons looking up at the Dome ceiling after being flattened time-after-time, while his fellow rookie Lynn Dickey alternated with him because they couldn't keep EITHER on the field for very long. Both got the hell knocked out of them Sunday after Sunday.
Eventually, Dickey was traded to Green Bay (mercifully) and turned into a pretty good QB for the Packers. Pastorini, on the other hand, had to wait seven more years before they had a line worth a damn, but he at least hadn't been beat up bad enough not to shine over the next few years during the Luv Ya Blue days.
Point is, with this porous line, Peyton Manning would look like crap. Maybe Carr is shell-shocked by now, but till he gets time to breathe, it's going to be sad...
Casserly has blown it in talent evaluation and CONSPICUOUSLY ignored building the line in the off season. And I think it will serve the ass right when it costs him his job.

 

Can we just sticky a David Carr thread, a "what should the Texans do this offseason" thread, a Texans Coaching Staff thread, and a Texans Offensive Line thread?

Please?

Do we really need to play our own version of Groundhog Day every single week????

Evan