Relying on Boselli was a MAJOR mistake MAJOR . . two surgeries . . on both shoulders what the h*ll made them think they should have trusted them?? Honestly I thought in the Sub Draft they should have gotten a decent QB to take the lumps while the o-line formed [I was thinking Blake .. . he was a bit mobile. . he was an adequate QB and if he got banged up it was no biggie because. . he was not the long term prospect] Then drafted a RB or a Line man [defensive or offensive] Games are won on the line Either Protecting your QB or Crushing the other teams QB with pressure Rocket River
Yeah, Vick will win a few games here and there with his legs, Vick will win a few games here and there with his arm, and w/o Vick Atlanta wont win jack. Vick does not = a scary passing threat at this point(a large part of which can be attributed by the lack of wr talent on the squad), but the fact remains that he is one of the best playmakers in the game.
if Vick could pass the ball, he wouldn't have been coming out of that game yesterday. about 160 total yards yesterday...about 210 the week before. sorry but that ain't a Pro Bowl caliber QB. his team wins because they run the ball well...and because their defense is great. not because they're getting great QB play.
Yeah, because they had to bring in someone to gun the ball for all of what? 2 pass attempts? If Vick hadn't been injured, he wouldn't have been coming out of the game. He doesn't put up the stats of a pro bowl caliber qb. He has the impact of a pro bowl caliber qb. Just because he doesn't fit your idea of what the prototypical/philosophical idea of what a qb should be does not make him a lesser player. Yes, his team wins because of running and defense, but also because of the plays Vick makes and is a threat to make.
what impact of a pro bowl QB?? offense is measured in yards...in TD's...he doesn't have Pro Bowl numbers there..in either department. because his team wins?? trent dilfer's team won a super bowl. so did jim mcmahon's. neither of those guys were front-line QB's. overrated.
Of course Atlanta won't win jack without Vick. Name one team that WILL win anything with their backup QB? You're assuming Vick gets replaced by nothing. Atlanta had the #16 scoring offense in the league last year. They are not winning with good offense. He's a great playmaker, and he'll make some great plays here and there that no other QB can make. But what about the other 70 plays of the game where he doesn't make a great play? Perhaps they wouldn't have needed great plays to come back if they didn't get down 21-0 while he was unable to move the football in the first half.
Great qbs aren't made by yardage and tds. They are made by making plays and making good decisions with the ball, both of which Vick does.
um...when you make plays, those are measured in yards and tds. that's like saying height isn't measured by feet. makes good decisions? would it surprise you to learn that no player in the NFL turned the ball over more than Vick last season? his defense kicks ass. he's got a very good OL that is great at run blocking. none of that makes him a great QB.
There are teams that would win with their backup qb, but that's besides the point and I don't even know why you bring it up other than to try and exaggerate your question. Exactly what qbs can you say with certainty would have gotten the falcons to a nfc championship game? Hmm, maybe qbs that perform like pro bowlers? Atlanta is winning with grind it out offense and long drives that are orchestrated by Vick. You make it sound like he's great or nothing. I see plenty of times where he makes good plays. It's not often when he makes bad plays. Perhaps they wouldn't have needed to come back from 21 points if the defense hadn't played like crap in the first half(which they did)? Perhaps they wouldn't have had their drives cut short if there hadn't been some crappy play by his wrs(which there was).
Eric Allen and Mike Ditka just finished discussing Carr and the Texans offense on Monday Quarterback. Eric Allen said, and Ditka agreed, that it looks like Carr has not adjusted to the difference in speed from the college level to the pro level. They showed the clip where Carr ran out of bounds for a two yard loss and a sack on first down. But in that clip it clearly showed the offensive line forming a pocket but Carr just didn't step up into it and throw the ball. I've said it before: Carr has no pocket awareness. I think that Carr deserved better but I doubt that he will be a top notch QB for this team. He just doesn't possess the intangibles.
Yup, wow newsflash, you can make plays w/o putting up great numbers. Vick did not turn the ball over more than anyone last season. He lost 7 fumbles and threw 12 interceptions.
i can't find the total individual turnover information after googling it...i remember reading it or hearing it said on TV. if i'm wrong, i stand corrected on that count. look...you can say what you want. dilfer wasn't a great QB because he won...because they made just enough plays to win. without a great defense, his offensive production wouldn't be enough to get it done. the same is true of Vick. I'M NOT SAYING THAT VICK IS LESS VALUABLE THAN TRENT DILFER. i'm saying vick isn't on the level of those he's mentioned with...and he's not as good as some others who aren't mentioned on that level.
I don't think I'm going to go on about Vick anymore because it's not like anything I say will change the minds of people who don't buy into him. But I will say this: Vick is not the mvp of the league. He is the mvp of his team. He is not destined for the hall of fame at this point. He is a nightmare for defensive coordinators. Right now he does not win games by being a pocket qb, and wont be that kind of a qb for a long time. That doesn't necessarily mean that he can't do it(though it's unlikely he could do it a probowl level at this point), it means that being a scrambling qb is more effective for him and his freakish talent, and effective wins games, even if it doesn't impress the critics.
i hear ya. he is not destined for the HOF. and is the best runner at his positin i've ever seen. i just think he's overhyped. i don't think he causes defensive coordinators to freak out...if you can force him into the pocket and make him throw, he's nearly worthless. the NFC championship was a great example of that. QB's who have total yardage in the 200-250 yard range aren't freaking anyone out. you certainly have to make adjustments...but the idea that the guy is some unstoppable force...or that he's on the level of the top QB's in the game is just hype, to me. there's a lot of hype around him because he's very exciting..and he seems like a pretty nice guy, too. but i don't think the substance meets the hype.
The grind it out offense is the result of a great run game. Look, I'm not saying he's terrible, but he's not an all-star. He's the NBA equivalent of someone who averages 15 pts a game, but has the occasional monster dunk so he's always on Sportscenter as a highlight reel. Last year, he was #26 in the league in passing yards (behind some guys who didn't even play a full season), #24 in passing TDs, #21 in passer rating, and he had nearly a 1:1 TD to INT rating (14/12). He also had 900 yards rushing. There were 14 QB's with more yards passing then he had both running and passing combined. In theory, his running is supposed to open up his passing game - that hasn't happened. As a team, they were #19 in total offense, #29 in passing offense, and #16 in scoring offense. He's a good player, but he's surrounded by a great team. Didn't Atlanta lead the league in sacks last year? They have an aggressive defense, combined with a great rushing attack, and a QB who can make some big plays when needed. He led the Falcons to the NFC title game in the NFC by beating a 9-7 Seattle team that got in by default, and lost to the one truly good team in the NFC without their superstar WR.
I wonder if Vick's passing numbers would be better if his best target wasn't his TE. Outside of that, he's had a rookie WR last year, a rookie WR last year and some guy who's now the 5th receiver on the Cowboys.
