He does need to work on his passing - it's much better this year actually, but he still short arms everything from a 3/4 sidearm.
then, i would have picked carr. i was impressed by him in college. but, honestly, i don't consider myself an NFL draft expert. i do think...generally..that if you think you have a franchise level QB, you take him with the #1 pick. generally speaking. i assume that the guys who get paid to do this and spend all day working on it are much more educated about this stuff than i am. they were saying carr very early. remember there was some debate about the texans taking harrington, as well. he threw 5 picks today with a much better supporting cast. so had they gone that direction at QB, i don't think they'd be doing much better. had they drafted peppers and picked up a QB elsewhere, we'd certainly have more pressure up front...but we'd probably still have the same offensive woes we have right now.
I would have picked Julius Peppers, built my defense up and then picked up a more prototypical NFL qb like big ben Rothlesburger. Carr is small, he doesn't play with much confidence and he throws sidearm.
there is nothing prototypical about a QB like Ben. nothing at all. it's real easy to say, "yeah, i'll just go draft ben." but a lot of teams that needed QB's passed up on the guy. it's a lot of hindsight.
agreed. Big Ben and the Steelers got lucky that they found one another. I doubt Roethslisbergerasdlfjaper would have succeeded on a team like...us. I still think about the possibility, if he had stayed another year, of having Vick and 'Dre on the same team. That would have been something to watch.
I'm not sure how you can judge, it's not like he's ever been consistently surrounded by NFL-level talent. The o-line is bad, davis is decent, we've one above average recieving threat. And now our defense has decided not to be good anymore.
And hello to another "bust" if you draft one of those two without improving the offensive line. What's more sad than the team itself is that half of our fans don't appear to have learned from our mistakes these first four years. The best rebuilding jobs in the last five years (Jacksonville, Carolina) start on the defensive and offensive lines and winning the game at the line of scrimmage. We haven't even been mediocre there... we've been terrible every year on both sides. Start over and build at the line of scrimmage and go from there. To start with a quarterback and ignore what should be a chance to finally grab a franchise left tackle... have y'all learned anything from these first four years?!?
great great great great great post. i'm not defending carr...but you don't want to put any valued QB behind this OL. gotta build in the trenches, first.
The bigger and more important question is whether the Texans have learned anything from these first four years. They didn't from the first three, it appears...
Whoops, forgot to complete this post. Beyond that, I totally agree with TheCat. No pressure and no protection = a crappy team.
What makes Carr - FRANCHISE WORTHY and Vince and Vick not? Rocket River . . I just don't see the difference
I thought it was insane to take a QB with the first pick ever but I guess the Texans were relying on Boselli and the entire Oline to be better, well, that still hasn't happened. I would have taken Mckinnie the LT that's now in Minnesota. Peppers would have been great too but like Derrick Johnson it appears he was never an option for this team because of Dom's rigid scheme. Right now, I am on the bandwagon to get rid of the entire coaching staff and Uncle Charley, whatever it takes to shore up this line. Right now David Carr has zero confidence in the pocket and who can blame him. Even when he has decent time, he is not comfortable there and, there is not a single QB in the league who could be asked to be successfull in these circumstances. Granted Carr does make some stupid plays like today when as he's done before ran out of bounds three yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of throwing it away, look it up I've complained about before with him but to me most of the problem still falls on the architecture of the team, and that means to me, Chrley and the coaches should be gone no question about that. It absolutely infuriates me to listen to the coaches and players go on after games like these like it was business as usual. Oh well rant over, I'm now epecting the Texans to lose and lining up back plans to watching them play, I doubt that is what Mr. Mcnair wants, time to do something about it.
wait..you must be misreading me. i'm not saying Vick isn't better than David Carr. he is. Vick is seriously limited, though. We saw it yesterday. His team had the ball with a minute or so to go...down by 3...and the coach pulled him to bring in the backup. vick doesn't pass well enough. and running ain't gonna get you a last minute drive to win a game. 160 total yards from a QB sucks. great for a running back. below average for a QB. all the excitement in the world doesn't change that. i don't know if vince will be like that. he has been so far. a better runner than a passer. running backs run. you need your QB to be able to move the ball down the field through the air to keep defenses honest. if i want to run the ball more, i'll draft a running back. and it's great if your QB is mobile. but first and foremost, your QB has to be able to move the ball down the field through the air....because no one else on your team will do that other than him. except your punter. and most importantly...i'm not asserting that carr is a franchise QB right now.
3 seasons plus 2 games....and he still sucks...The line isn't that good, yeah, but when they do give him time, its like he makes the wrong decision...and of course when there is not time, forget about it...
Vick was pulled because of injury, but don't let that get in the way of your Vick whine-fest. He actually threw some pretty good big play passes that the wrs simply did not catch.
He also had a total of about 150-160 yards passing and rushing, in about 3 1/2 quarters of healthy play (less than Carr had yesterday). Against a mediocre Seattle defense. Vick is exciting and he'll win a few games here and there with his legs, but he's not a top level QB at this point. He's fortunate to be surrounded by a great defense, a strong line, and strong running game.
