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David Cameron: Britain's EU Referendum to be held June 23

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  1. MojoMan

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    From the left leaning UK Guardian, a thoughtful article that concludes the ruling by the judges' ruling yesterday confirms that Brexit must go ahead. As the author notes, that "During the 2015 referendum debate MPs did not so much as hint they would disregard the outcome if they did not like it." Also, PM David Cameron confirmed it was binding beforehand and resigned later when it unexpectedly passed.

    The author is wrong about suggesting the UK government give up its appeals. But his arguments are persuasive, nonetheless. He is suggesting that a 'confidence' vote would get the job done here and he appears to be right. Word the bill the right way, keep it brief, allow for a lengthy debate in the Commons and then have the vote. It will surely pass and then back to business.

    But the precedent that the people's voice does not matter, especially when the Parliament approved the referendum in the first place, cannot go unchallenged. The people of the UK were led to believe that this vote was binding and it is only because the extremely powerful establishment/collectivist/corporatist/globalists did not get their way that this is even open for discussion. If the vote had gone the other way, it would have been regarded as the final word on the matter. No technicalities should be allowed to dis-empower the people in this way. The appeal should go on and should be applauded if it succeeds.
     
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    I've been hearing that Brexit Brits have been preparing for civil war if they don't get what they want.
     
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    Let the Brits enjoy their little island and leave EU, we will see if England miss EU more or EU misses UK more soon enough.
     
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    I think if the elites actually attempted to block Brexit, especially if they blocked plans to control immigration, there would be people marching in the streets beyond anything they believed possible. However, that does not appear likely to happen. The worst case scenario appears to be a vote in the commons, which is likely to pass pretty easily. The May government has come out today and said they do not believe this will even effect the timetable, much less the result.

    Nevertheless, the British people would do well to take a flamethrower to the rear-ends of all of there MP's for a while to make sure they do not forget who they work for here. Their MP's and their establishment can get by with a lot of self-dealing and a lot of corruption, just like ours does. But on this one issue, I think they are going to have to defer to the will of the people, regardless of how unpopular that may be with the collectivist corporatist establishment types. Then they can get back to the business of screwing everyone else for their own benefit.
     
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    I've been hearing pretending to be a fsacist clown on a basketball message board was ranked #3 in terms of career satisfaction by Vault reports.
     
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    You are the biggest troll on this board, hands-down, case-closed, game-over.
     
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    Then why don't you put me on ignore, or are you reading, reading, reading with hopes that one day, you'll be able to land a sick retributive burn?

    They say time heals all wounds...I guess not.
     
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    The British Parliament voted 544-53 to hold this referendum and leave the matter to the British people. At no time during the debate did anyone representing either the Remain or Leave side indicate that they thought this vote was purely advisory. In fact, David Cameron and his government - David Cameron was the leader of the Remain side and resigned after his side lost - sent government funded leaflets to every home in Britain that said: “This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”

    But it appears that he bill was sloppily worded if that was the intention, which it was clearly presented as and nobody associated with either side of the campaign appears to have presented otherwise. So based on this latest technicality, the establishment elites are clearly trying to thwart the will of the people. The people of the UK will not have it.

    It looks like the real problem here is the House of Lords. Over the years there has periodically been discussion about abolishing the House of Lords. If they try to interfere here, nobody should be surprised to see talk of that start again, perhaps as a central platform of a snap general election called by Theresa May.

    Of course the UK government could win on appeal in the Supreme Court. But it makes no sense to count on that at this stage.

    The arrogance of these people is truly breathtaking to behold. They must be held accountable. Now would be a great time to do that, around this issue.
     
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    Nigel Farage is organizing a march on the UK Supreme Court on the day of their big ruling, estimated in advance to be 100,000 people. It will be interesting to see how many are actually there. I will not be surprised if it is quite a lot more than that.

    What is missing is a massive march before that ruling on December 5, 2016.
     
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    And now for a little Donald Trump diplomatic humor.

    Donald Trump has sent a tweet observing that "Many people would like to see Nigel Farage represent Great Britain as their Ambassador to the United States. He would do a great job!"

    Very funny. Needless to say that is not going to happen. But he would do a great job.

    The response from the UK government, to borrow a famous quote from Queen Victoria: "We are not amused."
     
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    Rumor is those brexit politicians still don't have a solid plan past all the rhetoric.
     
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    Rumor has it that Chelsea Clinton is actually the spawn of Hillary and a space-gremlin from Alpha-Centauri.
     
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    Yep, Theresa May doesn't have much a plan past the rhetoric as there's too much in cabinet fighting.
     

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