David Cameron: Britain's EU Referendum to be held June 23

The Conservatives? That's true. But that's no surprise. Half of them didn't even want to leave.

Farage is not in government for him to be making concrete plans. But at least he's saying how the negotiating strategy should be.

 

Oh calm down. He called her. You're just looking for fake reasons to whine about Obama.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-calls-theresa-may-stresses-commitment-to-u-k-ties-1468515877

 

I am curious what will/would happen when Trump catches the car.

 

Well the courts in the UK just slammed the brakes (at least temporarily). A court has ruled that parliament must vote on Brexit which means it'll take much longer for Article 50 to be invoked and there will be deal making in parliament on how brexit will look. If this ruling stands, I don't see how "hard brexit" happens. Hell if parliament can't work together, I'm not even sure it can pass. Regardless, the remain camp now has a say in brexit negotiations since the PM doesn't get to unilaterally do this anymore.

Also that idiot Corbyn will finally have to make it clear which side he's on. Can't keep playing both sides of the fence.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-article-idUSKBN12Y12P

 

You're assuming the Tories can hold together and agree on a straightforward exit. That's simply not a given. The Tories have all kinds of schisms just like Labour. There will be a brexit for sure but there will have to be concessions now. Theresa May can't do whatever she wants now and she'll have to give voice to parliament (including the opposition).

Also the ideal solution is a supermajority of parliament votes together on some sort of agreement. That requires bringing Labour to the table. You're also discounting the fact that we'll have to hear about brexit for months as parliament debates this. That extra noise means we'll essentially be re-adjudicating this.

Also the House of Lords gets a vote on this too and the Tories have far less strength there. Granted Labour has said they won't vote to veto Brexit if it passes the Commons but it still adds another element to this whole mess.

Most of the British economic forces want the single market which means making immigration concessions so we'll be back to figuring out how to make that work.

 

We will see how happy/unhappy the Brits are in ten years. I have a feeling down the line the Brits will be begging to rejoin EU.

 

What a mess. Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland should get out and join the EU separately and leave England to its own. Dublin is gearin up to take a lot of London's banking business and Glasgow would be well suited to do so also.

 

I'm banking my 2017 trip to London on it. Need that pound to hit rock bottom

 

Which is unfortunate for them because if they tried to join in 10 years, they would have to adopt the Euro and join the Schengen Area. Right now they have their own customs area and control over their currency.

 

Wales actually voted out like England. The talks for Scotland becoming a sovereign nation last year was based on the strong value of oil but oil prices have dropped and predictions on costs of making a new government seem too high. The only chance of NI going out would be to reunify with the Republic of Ireland but the RI's another Eurozone nation that's waiting for their own bailout. Not to mention, Scotland, Wales, and NI's biggest partner in Europe is England and they get more from having open borders with England than anything from being part of the EU.

So sorry but sad to say your idea of a European superstate is rather unrealistic. And we haven't even talked about another major issue in the referendum: immigration. Thanks to geography, Britain has been mostly spared from migrants but the rest of Europe has not been so. The continent is a mess. The Brits only have to look over to France to see what the migrant scum have done to Paris:

 

par w/ USD is an eventual certainty

 

I stand corrected on Wales and they can certainly choose to remain part of the UK. You're right too that Scotland has a lot of oil that said oil prices were already sliding when Scotland voted on independence and certainly were in a major slide during Brexit. That still didn't stop them from supporting to stay in the EU because they understood that they had a better future in the EU even without oil. Further it hasn't stopped them from wanting out of the UK. For Northern Ireland you are correct to that most likely they would rejoin the Republic having spent time in Northern Ireland keeping tabs with people there it is impressive that one thing that united both Protestants and Catholics is wanting to stay int he EU. That's no small feat.

I don't see anything in my post about a European superstate so not sure where you're getting that from. That said the benefits of the EU are very clear and that is one reason why many Brits are regretting their vote to leave. As many have pointed out the ultimate irony about Brexit is that the UK could end up having to abide by the EU rules, including on immigration, if they want to have the benefits of the market, trade and tourism benefits without having any say in how those rules are made.

As far as immigration I won't deny it is one of the major issues with it in the EU that said I find it disturbing that you've cited African immigration when there have been reports of trouble and hostility in the UK and other EU countries towards immigrants from many other places including Poland. Also let's not forget that many of the migrants, the people you call scum, come from countries that were colonized by France and which France profitted off of exploiting them.