David Aldridge predicts Steve Francis for Ray Allen

I dont know how u figure that. Ray is 28 while Yao is 23. Ray should be in his prime for another 4-5 years easy. While Ray is in his prime, Yao will be getting to his. This means playoffs every year, and depending on other things, a club to compete for a championship every year. By the time Allen is done, Yao should be dominant enough that we can attract others to play w/ him. Bottom line, we dont want to take a step back before going forward. No way.

See, when u do that, u r basically wasting the last 4 years we spend building around Steve. When Yao came, he was supposed to a perfect compliment to Steve. Now, here we have a team that had just won 45 games, in verge of playoffs, and we are adding a solid center to the mix. We are still that team. But when u say trade Steve for younger, developing players, that changes everything, actually, wastes about 4 years. Point is, this team is almost there. It will get to the playoffs soon. If u trade Steve it better be either a good established leader, or if its a young player, he better be damn talented. Heinrich/crawford wont cut it......once again, i think u r underestimating Steve's value.

 

You, sir, are an assclown. What can Francis do better than Peja? Jump higher? Dunk more? "Penetrate"?

 

So you want to take a chance on unproven talent and pass up on an all-star player that's only 5 years older than Yao? Thats pretty risky to me.
Kobe and Shaq are 6 years apart, do you think LA is worried about the age difference there? Besides, how many star players grow up their entire careers on the same team?

 

I like, although I wouldn't mind RLewis in there as well...

That won't happen, but I would have thought Stevie would have been untouchable...

I still think we need to hang on to Steve...We're only near the freakin' All-Star Break with JVG for criss sakes...

 

As much as it puts a smile on my face at the very thought of bringing in Jesus Shuttlesworth...I don't want this to be a temporary fix.

I like Ray Allen (great shooter, solid citizen on court, has what we need in a perimeter player) and I like the thought of getting rid of Francis (probably moreso than anyone on this board), but I don't want to disrupt what the rockets are doing by bringing in a 'hired gun'. I want to see what this team can do and can achieve and THEN make some decisions.

If we falter and some how don't get into the playoffs, then heads will roll. As stupid as it sounds and with the way the league is, JVG is not going to get fired after just ONE year ESPECIALLY when the organization had to kick Rudy out. That would be a double whammy on the Rox PR.

If we don't make the playoffs, or basically make it and get annihilated, then players will have to be moved. JVG is a realist, he knows, and wants and coaches for the chance at a ring and he is not going to just take a 1st round playoff exit as a triumpant thing. If we get swept out, he'll know that the team isn't good enough. And you say "well what if we get swept by the Twolves, Kings, Lakers, Spurs, Mavs etc etc?" Please. The only team that has wiped the floor with us is the Mavs. We can match up with anyone of those teams so ONE playoff win should be expected.

I think that, I myself included, wants the quick fix b/c of Francis' and the Rockets' latest poor play. We're just frustrated souls that's all. But I want to see what Francis and teh Rockets can prove after the season's done with....are they contenders or have they reached their peak AS A TEAM?

 

ya, because he thinks steve is better than Peja, hes an assclown?
Sory, but if you think other people are "assclowns" because they dont share the same opinion as you, then you are one self-centered brat

The world doesnt revolve around you

 

I dont see the sonics trading a cheap, young, and promising rookie like ridinaur so i think daniels or barry would be just as good. Allen would help spread the defense and maybe Yao wouldn't get as much attention as he does now.

 

Man, you have to releaize Allen's ability to shoot 3's, to effectively
drive to the hole, to read the games. He is everything that SF is not. I am not saying he is better than SF, but he will fit better here than SF.
BTW, SFOF can cheer for him at seattle too, I am sure they got a bbs for fans like this one.

 

well for starters:

1. i never said the world revolved around me did i?

2. i called him an assclown because he would rather have steven francis than have peja on his team. now explain the logistics in that. tell me what does steve francis do that warrants him a better player than peja right now?

Francis:
16.8 ppg
5.5 rpg
5.9 apg
39% FG
76% FT

Peja:
25.4 ppg
6.1 rpg
2.1 apg
48% FG
93% FT

I will give Steve the benefit of the doubt and take away the PPG comparison since he's got scorers left and right. Assists goes in favor of Francis since well he's a freakin PG.

if you want me to go into great detail on why i would pick peja over francis any day of the week i will do so. you can call me a self centered brat all you want but lets hear your argument for taking francis over peja.

 

That's a question like wheter to dump money on Mircosoft's Stock, or some bio-tech stock. I will go safe here.

 

The real question when considering a trade like this is how it affects our "Team". I know this is a stupid idea but its one that seems to be overlooked by statistical analyst and RealGM junkies.

On the Court:
Yao and Francis don't complement each other. SF3 numbers are down because of Yao and the zone. Steve needs space at the hoop to create and Yao is always down there taking up space. Yao needs an outside threat that can pass well into the post which is not Steve. These are the straight up basketball X and O facts. Which by themselves are pretty solid reasons to make some changes.

In the Locker Room:
The Rockets need a leader who will put the team above himself. A guy that is comfortable enough in himself and his own abilities to look at the other players on his team and say how can I make these guys better. Not a guy that sees his teamates as competion for coolest Rocket, media darling, or top dog. A leader knows he's top dog and makes everybody else believe they have to do their part because the team needs them.

We don't have this player. Steve is not that guy but thinks he is. Yao is not that guy and is not ready to be that guy.

Ray Allen fits with Yao in the X and O equation and is a fairly equal tallent on the court which is why the trade is a posibility. The Leadership part is a question that would only be answered after some time but I believe that Allen has the experience and attitude to assume this role on the Rockets. Its a big gamble because if he is not we will have an identity crisis in the middle of the season.

I think Ray Allen would be a great pickup for in a trade for Steve but if we are going to trade Steve we have to get a leader because without him we don't have one.

Can Ray Allen to be our team leader?

 

That's because you're an idiot.

 

can you give carear averages please?

 

Luke Ridnour will be better than Francis in a year or two. Seattle would be stupid to do this.

I would trade Francis for Ridnour + cap fillers.

 

I'd prolly do the trade. Ray Allen is still pretty young. Plus a hell of a pure shooter. Yao's game would benefit, assuming he decides to be "the man" which he has yet to do.

I'd send SF3 and Boki to the sonics for Ray Allen.
Then I'd tell Mobley, you either pair up with MoTaylor and come off the bench or your next.

If he refuses, I package him, Cato and another scrub in a trade for a quick, pass first, defensive minded point guard.

If he accepts his role, then I just wait until the summer and some of our cap space to sign a free agent point guard.

And I will ban the rockets if they trade SF3 in a 3 team deal for Sheed. That would be stupid as hell... Picking up a problematic powerforward who is past his prime. But I wouldn't put it past Carrol Dawson, he's stupid enough to do it. I agree we need help at the 4 but Sheed is not the man.

 

If the Rockets get Ray Allen and Rashard, the Rockets can basically maximize the half court offense with the huge upgrade in outside shooting range. Steve plays best in an up and down offense that does not allow for the half court defense to get set.

 

If the cap filler was Allen or Rashard...

 

Cool down. Dude. I was called an "assclown" and an "idiot" just because I do not want to trade Francis for Peja? Am I visiting Kings board or SFSucks.com?

Francis:

19.6ppg, 43% FG, 6.2 rpg, 6.3 apg

Peja:

17.8 ppg, 47%, 4.9 rpg, 2 apg.

Peja is a shooter and that is all. Heck, Francis had more rebounds than him and their assists are not even close.

Tell me why Peja is so superior that Francis should not even be mentioned in the sentence with him?

 

So you're going to try to discredit the fact that Peja is improving year to year while Steve is regressing? Anything for your boy, huh?

 

Who is the team leader for the San Antonio Spurs?

Hint...it's not Tony Parker...it's not Manu Ginobli...it's not Rasho Nesterovic...it's not Hedo Turkolu.

Allen would be the perfect co-captain because he is deferential.

Death to the clique.