[David Aldridge] NBA TV: Houston trying to trade for Ron Artest

Kleiza has been in the NBA for 3 years. IMO we're seeing near his ceiling already. He's over-achieved in a contract year. Beware of the players in their contract years.

 

Didn't we almost acquire Kleiza last year for freaking JLIII? That should tell you all you need to know.

 

chauncy billups was a scrub before coming to detroit. nash was simply a good player before coming to the suns. players find a niche on certain teams. kleiza def. fits the nugs style of play.

they are NOT going to give up kleiza. artest may be a great defender, he's not the shooter that kleiza is to open up the floor for melo and AI.

 

I don't think contract years play that big a factor for an unproven rookie. These unproven rookies either make it or sink. They simply have to play their hearts out every season so that they can keep their job when rookie contract expires.

 

The problem with aquiring Artest is that his contract is up after this season. You'd have to sign him again as a free agent to keep him. He is probably a 1/2 season rental. So no, you do not want to give up Brooks for this type of arrangement.

 

So what. We also traded away Nachbar who turns out to be an ok player. Kleiza was unproven last year, so he had very low value. This year he proved himself, so he has value. It is that simple.

 

Billups a scrub? Are you kidding me? Things didnt work out for him in his early career, but he was always considered a talent.

Nash is always a star. Cuban didnt resign him because he thought Nash was aging.

I see Denver is logic. I was only joking Artest wouldnt mesh well with AI or Melo. That team seriously need some priemeter D, a guy that can lock down people. With Artest and Camby, two former defensive players of the year, they will be good on defense. To me Denver is still valuing offense more than defense.

Again, Artest is a star. He can turn it on and start the whole team in a lock-down situation, can Kleiza do that?

 

Boki has always sucked and Kleiza is playing for a contract. Kleiza is a decent player but he's nothing to write home about.

 

Kleiza and Boki comparison sounds about right to me.

 

check yo stats son.

billups b4 coming to detroit
11ppg, 4apg, on 39% fg, on 32% 3pt -> scrub #s for a starter kind of player back then. he did have talent but was never good enough to be considered a decent starter.

nash was an all-star. but he was never in the conversation as even a top 25 player. he was never sniffed at as the MVP. he was always the 3rd wheel behind dirk and finley in dallas. no one talks about how he revolutionizes basketball like right now. so i said he was good, which he was. he turned great in phoenix.

people find systems/teams that fit them like a glove. those are examples.

 

I would not trade Brooks for Kleiza.

I'm sure Morey is playing this thing right.

Even if we don't make a move, I think we are still going to be very competitive for the playoffs. The playoffs are a crapshoot.

What else does Denver have on the table besides Najera. Salaries don't work without someone else being involved. It must be J.R. Smith, can't see them giving up Anthony Carter, but maybe so. But even so, if it is Carter or Kleiza, Denver has to include someone else to make the deal work.

The more I think about this........the more I think the Rox are in the catbirds seat to pick up a very good rotation player for beans, it will be all up to whether Les wants to pay the tax.

If you were Sacramento, would you rather have expirings, Kleiza, and picks .......which apparently Denver is not willing to offer....or would you rather have expirings, Luther Head, and and picks.......which I would think Morey would be willing to offer. I would take Kleiza over Luther but the draft picks are a tossup. If they strengthen Denver, then the picks are lower for Sacramento. I think if it comes down to picks, Sacramento trades with the team that they think will be the weakest after the trade, so they have the highest possible picks, combined with how much money savings they can get in the deal. We should throw in the $3 mill cash, then have prearranged agreements with Bonzi and Steve to be bought out at the lowest possible number. Looks like these deals gonna come down to the wire.

By the way, how would you like to have Brent Barry as a backup point guard if Seattle cuts him loose after the Kurt Thomas trade? Can you imagine picking up Artest in a Bonzi, Steve, Kurt, Head, draft pick deal, picking up Barry after he is bought out, re-signing Bonzi, and then bringing in a Mike Harris?????

This trade deadline is gonna get crazy.

 

Kleiza + Najera for Artest works

Kleiza + Najera + Smith for Artest also works.

All are expiring contracts.

 

First stop calling me son. My son may be older than you, judging from your posting style.

Billups was not a scrub. He was thought to be over-valued and over-hyped. He was like the Marlbury reverse, who was doing relatively better then. People certainly were dissapointed at him, but he was not a scrub, every he goes, there were big things expected out of him. Scrubs dont get big expectations from people.

I see your examples. What is your point? So you are telling me Kleiza needs Denver to be successful. Ok, I will give you that. My point is that I would trade Kleiza to Sac and maybe try to resign him once he is free if I were Denver's GM. And I am glad they are not doing that.

 

Since last night Denver beat Boston, it seems they don't want Artest that much!

 

Not according to an insider from the Nuggets board.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=3465801&postcount=40

 

Kleiza + Najera shouldn't work without throwing in another contract if the contract figures on hoopshype are right.

Smith + Najera works. But Kleiza or Carter + Najera requires another contract.

Incoming salary has to be equal to or lower than outgoing salary * 1.25 + $100k.

 

I was using ESPN's NBA trade machine.

 

the link just shows there board. it doesn't show what the board says could all just be made up

 

it doesn't matter if you have expectations or not. if you play like a scrub the moment you stepped onto the NBA, you're a scrub. is kwame brown a scrub? everybody had high expectations for him and people call him names worse than just a scrub. billups was even worse than rafer has been for us (and we all know the types of names this board has thrown at rafer).

all i'm saying is denver sees big things for kleiza. he's a guy that can get you 20 pts if he plays enough minutes in THAT offense (not other teams i might add). he's a great 3pt shooter. he's a big guy. and he doesn't need touches to be effective. denver already has enough superstars. what they really need is just a defender. they don't need artest for his offense (and we all know artest needs his touches). plus, artest is not that good of a shooter. iverson's penetration and melo's postups will result in what?

plus, kleiza has been CLUTCH for them. did u see the 2 threes last night that put the celtics away in the 4th?

artest is only clutch against US.

i'm sure they want artest. but not to give away a very promising role player in kleiza who can give them 15-17 pts easy in 2-3 yrs off the bench.

 

How? I think the best we can do is the 5th seed. It doesn't look like we can get past the first round when the western conference is so loaded.