Joe Johnson quote: I just knew we would come through and pull the victory out like we did the last few games, but they had guys like Derek Anderson who made the difference. He made key shots and had big defensive stops.” http://www.nba.com/heat/chat/quotes_060304.html includes other quotes about DA as well. DA with big DEFENSIVE stops? Can't be - only Gundy and his players playing within HIS system can have big defensive stops. And DA is unworthy to play for the Rockets and Jeff Van Gundy. Who does Joe Johnson think he is saying these things? DA is over the hill and cannot possibly be stopping anyone in an NBA uniform. Who does DA think he is rebounding and finding a way to get the ball to Mourning for the winning dunk? What could possibly have inspired him to play like this? Not Van Gundy. Big Chief Piss on Parade.
So why don't you estimate his trade value prior to that episode? I'm not sure of the market value for disgruntled journeymen swing players having bad seasons on the downside of their career - but I'm guessing it's pretty low regardless. But anyway - yeah - it's hard to overstate how negligible his trade value is, that's why it's funny to watch people whine about how we got fleeced.
I've voiced the same opinion as soon as the "mutual trade agreement" comes out, well before this. Here's some facts we do know: 1) he signed with LLE with us "on cheap". 2) Lakers offered more. 3) He was playing relatively well before the injury. 4) The guy we trade him for never gets on the floor. Even if difference in his trade value is "negligible", it doesn't make sense to shoot yourself in the foot with bad handling of the situation. It makes less sense to ridicule posters who voice their concerns. It's a message board FGS. Your tactics is becoming predicable.
I'll ignore your poignant claims of oppression and continue with the substance: As an economist - you should know that his value before this season (1 and 2) is not the same as his value during the season (he looked like straight ass). As of two weeks ago, the perception was that he's a spent player, who never lived up to his promise during his career and only showed signs of fruther decline now. As for 3) - I don't know what the breakdown was between injury/non-injury. I do know that he sucked this season, including being not available due to injuries as a negative against him from a value standpoint - and I would presume that that is what matters to most GMs and other teams, considering that they are in the business of production. 4) So? That's the heart of what I'm asking you - but for the JVG comments, who would we have traded him for who WOULD see the floor? My guess is probably nobody. So I don't see the harm.
hmmm, as an economist, I estimate value not just by spot data, but also historic data such as average, and reasonable assumption of the future. (e.g. he was often injured, but the Rockets was still willing to sign him to LLE). I don't believe value magically dissapear in half a season, especially when "fit" is such a big word in NBA. As an economist, I also understand assymetric information, and not to devalue information advantage in trading. I'm no specialist in NBA trading, but I've seen enough trade senario not to call trading DA for someone more useful "impossible". Especially, I would call a bad practice in trading when I see one--actually outcome different or not.
That's not magically dissapear. No one besides Rockets was interested in him. Nothing magical about his value. And he's not traded.
Who cares who else was interested in him? The point is that prior to signing with the Rockets - SOMEBODY in the NBA (the rockets) thought he had SOME value - so he was signed. Then he proved to be a slow footed, broken down, injury plagued guard who couldn't shoot (sound familiar) and he no longer had any within the span of a few weeks. I can give you 10 zillion more examples of guys who went from "Boom" (if you even count signing for the LLE as a boom, or being considered as Kobe's backup to play 2 minutes a night as a boom) to bust in a fortnight. Either way, the causative factor of his value free-fall was his performance in 2005-06 for the Rockets: that of a washed up player. I still don't understand who/what was out there banging on the Rockets door to get Anderson until JVG sabotaged it - and given his pathetic performance this season, I don't think there was anybody. So I don't see where JVG inadvertently "letting the cat out of the bag" did much, if any harm. If the Rockets call up a team and say "say, what will you give us for Derek Anderson" - that puts them in the same negotiating position as they ended up in anyway. Who cares if its public or priviate? Any team that we solicited would KNOW that we were trying to get rid of him. I think you guys are jsut stuck on the pre-season view of Anderson as a valuable acquisition - when he was fool's gold all along.
DA tonight: 2-9 FG// 0-3 3PT// 6 REBS// 1 AST// 4 PF's We'll be seeing more of this, it's his usual chucking.
I think my broken picture-frame worths a grand, my Morgan-stanley share worths $100 per, do you care to buy? You sir, don't understand value. C ward had not value to begin with, got hurt during the season, never got healthy again. Tell me what's magical about that. can't you read? or just arguing for arguing's sake? For a hundredth time, nobody is saying "from boom to bust". 10.8 ppg, 39.3 fgp, 4.2rpg, 2.7 apg, not much different from his pre-season value to me. If you think letting it be known that you absolutely have to get rid of somebody put you in the same negotiation position, (as oppose say to a Wesley), then I have no arguing with you. I must add, that while I disagree with the handling with the situation, I don't think DA much of a player, or Rockets would break the bank losing him. But that's not the argument.
Michecon: My question to you is the same: name what teams wanted Anderson, and name what they were willing to give for him but for Van Gundy's comments - specifically name HOW the Rockets were harmed by letting it be known publicly that they were seeking to move a washed up loser like Anderson, who requested a trade. Or if you don't know that, name WHY a team would want to give up something significant for a washed up loser like Anderson. The bottom line is that Anderson was a crappy player, who played like crap when he was here. His numbers were mediocre, and if you or anybody predicted in preseason that his 10 ppg on 39% shooting (including a whopping 28% from distance) and matador defense was what he was bringing to the Rockets this season, I doubt many people would be that happy about it, yourself included. The guy is a washed up mediocre player. The trade market for washed up mediocrity is lacking.
Sam: Since it's all hypothetical at this point, it's quite pointless. I can say this and that player, you can say no way. I can say how come Rockets was willing after his mediocre seasons in Portland, you can say something else. It's all pointless. I'm sorry if I repeated myself after your sidetracking argument, as usual. It's like I'm saying that person did something wrong, you come in and argue it's not a crime, just a misdeanor, all the while implying he does not do anything wrong. Strange. Let me say this, since you seem to be bothered by people gripe about decisions of CD/JVG. The Derek Anderson episode on the Rockets was a disaster, whether he is a crappy toally worthless player or not. If he is totally worthless player, the duo made a mistake in signing him; if he was of some value, the duo didn't get enough of him. You can't go both way about that. And it is my opinion the trading of him could be handled better.
They did make a mistake in signing him, that much is clear. Even though I thought it was a good signing beforehand. I just don't see any cognizable harm flowing from the public knowledge that they're going to trade him because 1. Anderson sucks and has little inherent value; 2. it's no secret that he's in the doghouse and if the Rockets are soliciting buyers, they know they're trying to get rid of him anyway. In short, no harm = no foul. The value of Anderson was crap by December, I just don't see how that value was diminished in any significant way by tryingn to move him. And you haven't presented anything that would suggest otherwise. Once you reach a certain low threshold, you just can't get much lower, unless you're overvaluing Anderson to begin with. Another important thing to consider: the Rockets moving players who wish to be moved or who aren't doing anything is something they've been very good about through the years. That's important, not just because it gets disgrunteld players out of Houston, but lends to the reputation of Houston among players as a place that generally (though not always) honors its players wishes if they want to move on.
DA really tearing it up the last few games in Bowenesque fashion: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?statsId=3183
Did you watch Sunday's game, or just flipping stats? DA played quite well for Heat in that game, he contributed to the win. He guarded LJames, who was unstoppable in the first half, effectively in the second half. He made some good timely passes/assists. I doubt Heat fan is complaining right about now. Anyone who can step on the floor on that Heat team is eligible to step on the floor for the Rockets in my book.
I did watch part of it, but found it pretty uninteresting and changed the channel. Anybody who steps on the floor and shoots 27% sucks, in my book. But in his defense, it looks like yesterday's 2 point, 5 assist performance was his best of the last 4 games. So- congratulations Derek, for not sucking so bad once.
Over 4 or 5 games? It ain't matter though. He's playing about 20 minutes a game on a better, much deeper, winning Heat team.
