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Daryl Morey - this is your mess - get to work fixing it!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Dec 11, 2015.

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  1. Blurr#7

    Blurr#7 Member

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    Preach on brotha!!!!
     
    #161 Blurr#7, Dec 13, 2015
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    It's just silly that morey underestimates coaching. When you listen to guys like Lowe, Thorpe, and others, it seems the consensus is that most coaches don't move the needle except for a handful.

    We don't know exactly how morey feels about coaching besides some sound bites.... But classic CF, we will just make all sort of assumptions based off of some sound bites...

    Do you not think, if morey had the option, he would get the best coach and best player at every position?
     
    #162 dmoneybangbang, Dec 13, 2015
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Honestly, I am not so sure, we have let JVG and Adelman go under Morey's tenure and brought in McHale - still baffling why that was.

    IIRC, Les fired JVG because he did not like his offense and the bball was unexciting - and we got Adelman.

    Adelman's contract was not extended and he REFUSED to sign the offered extension because Morey wanted to include Chris Finch on his staff, and Adelman wanted to control his own staff hirings - this, IMHO, was a major mistake.

    McHale - though, was just baffling, he was not a good coach - we should have gotten a proven guy that can motivate and lead good young players - perhaps that is what the thought was with McHale - don't really know.

    IMHO - we need a good proven coach to get our weak minded stars to play hard night in and night out - maybe Morey's hands are tied by Les.....I don't know, but I do know he is a VERY SMART man, and I don't want to lose his analytical abilities and trade savvy because Les is unsatisfied with the team's effort.

    That is why I think Bickerstaff is a massive risk...

    DD
     
    #163 DaDakota, Dec 13, 2015
  4. topfive

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    The Internet, circa 2015:

    Poster #1: "OMG! Here is my brilliant thesis!"

    Poster #2: "I disagree with your thesis, which is actually no very well reasoned."

    Poster #1: "YOU HAVE READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS! :mad:"
     
    #164 topfive, Dec 13, 2015
  5. Batman Jones

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    STRAW MAN. Look it up.
     
    #165 Batman Jones, Dec 13, 2015
  6. topfive

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    So let me get this straight: A "not good" coach somehow managed to take a team with severe injury problems, "two weak minded wannabe-leaders" and a veteran presence who is an "obnoxious has been" to the WCF, where we lost against a team that steamrolled everyone?

    If I read this correctly, what you're actually saying is that McHale overachieved by doing an amazing job last year, so it's a good thing we fired him.
    <BR>
     
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  7. dmoneybangbang

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    Well then there's nothing to discuss if you think our GM wouldn't get the best coach and best players at every position....

    And what if this task master coach ends up driving out the weak minded stars?

    I wish we could have the perfect coach for our team, but you don't have the luxury of being picky....
     
    #167 dmoneybangbang, Dec 13, 2015
  8. dmoneybangbang

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    Oh and JVG didn't exactly achieve a lot of results as a head coach with the Rockets. I'd like him as a defensive coach for sure...
     
    #168 dmoneybangbang, Dec 13, 2015
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    I don't necessarily think it's a coaching issue.

    If the players are playing worse I don't know that you can just motivate them. They are adult professionals.

    Does the staff checkup on them in the offseason?
     
    #169 Mr. Clutch, Dec 13, 2015
  10. heypartner

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    I thought Morey was DaDakota?

    Havent read through the thread yet. Is there any confirmation that DM has?

    "Morey, this thread is all your mess...get to work fixing it, by responding you moran"
     
    #170 heypartner, Dec 13, 2015
  11. srrm

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    Lol! :grin: Totally forgot about that happening

    Makes redundant thread totally redundant :grin:

    (Must spread the rep!)
     
    #171 srrm, Dec 13, 2015
  12. KingCheetah

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    I was definitely confused as to why Morey decided to post this thread in first person.
     
    #172 KingCheetah, Dec 13, 2015
  13. don grahamleone

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    I have no clue how you extrapolated Bickerstaff being a massive risk from this information. If McHale was hired as a leader, but not as an x and o crafty type coach, that means his staff had to be strong. Bickerstaff is probably a crafty mind, he certainly seems like he is. His staff is the same staff as before, a mix of young talent and veteran coaches.

    What would it take from Bickerstaff for you to trust him? A team that was playing horribly started winning more consistently. Isn't that a good thing?
     
    #173 don grahamleone, Dec 13, 2015
  14. noppeper

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    You have less evidence that it has failed than we have evidence of it being successful, as we have averaged 55 wins in the Harden/Dwight era. And you are also making assumptions that changing coaches will work better than the ~55 win seasons we had under the McHale (and JB) regime. Now we are off to a rough start and you want to completely change it up?

    I personally don't know if coaching is the issue with this team. I also honestly don't know if it is the reason we have won so much the past few seasons, or if we have simply been successful in spite of subpar coaching. What I do know is that Morney has put together a very competitive team without having to tank like so many other organizations, so I trust his ability to be the leader of a basketball organization much more than someone who championed dudes like Vspan, even when they were obviously not working as NBA players ( and you wanted to illogically keep giving a shot to, regardless of their below average results when given time on the court...).

    BTW, although I disagree with your message, I like this thread; it makes for good discussion.
     
    #174 noppeper, Dec 13, 2015
  15. AroundTheWorld

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    I wish Bickerstaff the best. If we can go on a run and he can get the players, starting with Harden, to play the right way, even better. It just seems to me so far from the games I have seen (even the ones we have won) that there wasn't really much of a change from before. But I'm hoping for us to win, every time. If Bickerstaff gets us there and proves me wrong, I am happy.
     
    #175 AroundTheWorld, Dec 13, 2015
  16. HTM

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    How many "great" NBA coaches are even out there? I can't think of more than 10 I'd say are "great" and I wouldn't even go that far...

    Pop
    Carlisle
    Stevens??
    Vogel
    Dave Joerger
    Kerr?? Thats hard to say... only 1 season and the most stacked team we've seen for a long time

    Nobody else moves the needle.

    There just isn't many high level NBA coaches in the world and the ones that exist are locked up (deservedly so)
     
    #176 HTM, Dec 13, 2015
  17. steddinotayto

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    I agree. Elite coaches are just as hard to find as elite players...maybe even harder.

    What's hopeful is that it seems that now you're going to find as much success (if not more) going with a coach with no head coaching experience than another retread. Vogel, Stevens, Budenholzer, Clifford, Kerr, Thibodeau, etc...these guys are doing well or did well when they were given the reins the first time. I rather roll the dice with a guy from the above list than to go with a George Karl or another retread.
     
    #177 steddinotayto, Dec 13, 2015
  18. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    :grin:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DaDakota RT <a href="https://twitter.com/MattBraun1Word">@MattBraun1Word</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/dmorey">@dmorey</a> do you have a secret account on <a href="https://twitter.com/clutchfans">@clutchfans</a>? Don't lie to us.</p>&mdash; Daryl Morey (@dmorey) <a href="https://twitter.com/dmorey/status/448535472420044800">March 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

     
    #178 Deuce, Dec 14, 2015
  19. cheke64

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    Of course this dumb nerd has an account on clutchfans. Larsv8 is his account.
     
    #179 cheke64, Dec 14, 2015
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    "Our fans are terrible. They need to be more patient."

    "McHale, you're fired."
     
    #180 Mr. Clutch, Dec 14, 2015
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