Daryl Denying Dwight, Analytics, and the Hard-Headedness of Dwight Regarding PnR vs Post-Up

basketballholic being delusional as usual.

Dwight commits more turnovers than James per 100 possessions in general (15.5 vs 12.6), and has higher TO frequency - the percentage of times a player commits a turnover - in the post-up situation than Harden's isolation (16.5% vs 10.2%). All of this is expected just by looking at the ppp, since TOs are included in the calculation, and every time you commit a turnover it's recorded as a wasted possession so your ppp number goes down.

Dwight's ppp on post-up attempts was only 0.82, which is lower than what is yielded by every single option Harden takes on the offensive end (isolation, pnr, post-up, spot-up, hand-off, cut, off screen, etc). The other thing is, if Dwight didn't suck so much offensively, Harden wouldn't have taken that many possessions trying to carry this team, hence committing less TOs since there would be less pressure to score while being heavily guarded. It's not a coincidence as our team's general offensive talent pool declined, Harden's TO numbers went up.

As many people have already pointed out before, there is absolutely no justification for handing out more post touches to Dwight, and because he's not a good passer the ball gets stuck whenever we make entry passes to him, which more often than not ends up with a bricked shot attempt, turning the ball over, or getting fouled and missing one or both free throws. It's just a horribly, horribly inefficient way for us to score.

This. If anything, we as a team are the one who got the short end of the stick in this deal, not Dwight. He should feel sorry for losing us so much money and opportunities to acquire and develop other young talented big men, not sulk like a baby because he's not involved as much on offense as he likes to be, for reasons that everyone but him understands.

 

I believe he was told that as well but after suffered that injury that held him out for 50+ games and Harden took off. Dwight was told this is Harden team and he had to get in where he fit in. Which is rebound and protect the paint. Howard agreed. But in the playoffs Howard dominated while Harden showed up occasionally. Therefore Howard blindly believe he should utilized more in the post game.

 

I am not delusional about Dwight opting in. Unless something significant develops in regards to his market he is going to opt in. Because it gives him the most leverage to earn the most money going forward. Call me delusional. Pump up your boy Harden all you want. Isolate 1/6th if Howard's game that he isn't even pushing for and try to build a huge case against him. Call me his fan boy. (I'm not. Don't even like the guy. Hate his post up game worse than you do. And have hated his post up game longer than you have. And I've known even before Hakeem worked with him that he had no chance to become more than what he already was offensively.) The facts are unless something significantly develops for Dwight in terms of his future contract then he's going to opt in. A decision he has every right to make because we gave him the right to make that decision when we told him he was part of the core of the franchise and one of our two main men.

Blame Dwight for being a baby, trouble maker, call him a cancer, etc. WHO GAVE HIM THE CONTRACT?

DEAL WITH THAT!

This franchise has mangled itself over the last 3 seasons and has bungled its future to the point that we're on the cusp of hiring a coach who will guarantee that we do not achieve our goal of winning a championship, who will further deplete our roster of talent, will further splinter our front office by dividing loyalties that will lead to Morey leaving the franchise sooner than later followed by your boy, James "Pistol Pete" Harden, flushing us down the commode when he decides to duck out to LA in a couple years because we've become the turd he processed.

We have run amuck since we basically started handing the whole franchise to James "Pistol Pete" Harden. When we should've done when both Harden and Howard complained about each other with each asking for the other one to be traded is get both boys in a room, tell them what the other one did, and then tell them we acquired them to work together and they agreed to work together. So they have to work it out. That's what Riley, PJax, Pops, and all the great ones would've done. We also should have done the smart thing and traded for a premier playmaker who could feed both men while minimizing turnovers. We should have told James this is the way we have to play to be successful instead of being sucked in to this whole go faster mantra no matter what the peripheral damage was when we burned all the rubber off the tires and rode the rims. Not cede the franchise over to a punk who wants to run every player out of town who can make a play on their own while spending his nights drinking too much while seeing how many pounds of booty he can thump.

Now we are here. We let all this stuff go. We let the rift go on instead of forcing these lads to be grown up men. And now we've got our reckoning.

Prepare to watch Dwight destroy our whole off-season because that train of destruction is coming right down the tunnel whistling with its light on. He's going to opt in unless we make a huge turn and agree to work with him to better his situation.

 

Move this to the Dish because Howard isn't a Rocket anymore.

 

Actually most of the talent we lost lately happened because Dwight is here. I don't mean to lecture you but your posts reek of desperation and excuses. When there's overwhelming evidence to the contrary of what you've been saying for months now, it's best to just stay quiet or admit you were wrong all this time. Not doing so makes you look delusional and well desperate. Most of your posts lately seem to just amount to a monkey throwing ****. In short Dwight was the cancer we all know it now, some of us knew it before others but we all know now. You need to deal and get over it already.

 

Howard dominated...sometimes, against the Warriors he was abused, against the Mavs it was easy for him, he did a great series against the Clippers. Anyway, he played well also because there was Harden, how many points he scored cause he was free under the basket? Other teams play against Harden, not against Dwight, obviously. And this is another reason why he should understand his role better. Now, i'm not saying "he played well only because...", Dwight DID play very well, i'm not denying it, but we know how this team works, and we know how a player not named Harden is generally able to get easy chance opportunities, and i'm not talking about Dwight post ups. So, i'm not sure about this argument...i don't think he should've expected something different cause he had a couple of 25 points game, he didn't have those performance cause he abused DeAndre in the post...

 

Here’s what Jason Terry had to say on @TheHerd in response to Dwight Howard’s comments about Daryl Morey.

[rQUOTEr] Jason Terry: "But I said ‘Dwight, sometime in your career, you are going to have to decide do you want to become a champion? If becoming a champion means set more screens, roll harder to the basket, run the floor more, then that’s what you have to do. You can’t worry about if I’m getting touches in the post. It doesn’t matter. It’s whatever your team needs you to do on that particular night to get the win. So Daryl Morey didn’t say we aren’t going to give you the ball. We’re just not going to give it to you in the post because that, not our style of play." [/rQUOTEr]
lol basketballholic, you were the one clamoring for getting Howard more involved in our offense all year, and now it turns out that Dwight was not interested in playing pnr and wanted more post touches. So how are you going to justify your position? No one has anything against Dwight setting hard picks and rolling hard to the basket, and if that's what is meant by getting Howard more involved offensively, then everybody agrees. But that's not what Dwight has in his mind. He wanted to be like Hakeem or Kareem, and play with his back to the basket. He complained about lack of post touches and that was precisely the reason Howard got disinterested in the game, and why he displayed poor effort on both ends of the court, according to Terry.

Your whole schtick against Harden that he's preventing Howard from getting good offensive possessions and Dwight has no other option than to play post-up because of Harden or whatever has been just exposed. Dwight wanted more post touches, in his own words.

 

Not true. Dwight liked Lin and Chandler and wanted to play with them. The only player you can say Dwight ran off was Asik. And Dwight wanted him to stay too.

 

When Dwight was open under the rim he should have received the basketball. He didn't. The whole team including Terry should have been worried about us eschewing wide open layup attempts from Dwight in favour of brewer shooting a 3.

Jason Terrys dialogue here is meaningless rhetoric. He has motive to side with James. He knows how much pull James has. He knows the franchise has been ceded to James. And James can get him another payday. He also knows that if he says anything against James that it could very well hurt his future not only here but around the league.

I did clamor to get Howard more involved in the offense because he was a better offensive option than a lot of the offensive options we were using instead of him.

Doesn't make me a fan of Dwight. I'm not. I'm just not stupid enough to believe he's still not our second or third most efficient scoring option. And I'm not stupid enough to believe that if there has been give and take on both sides pig Harden and Howard that we would have been much better off.

I'm also not stupid enough to believe James Harden is a championship capable playmaker/distributor. He's not. He's not nearly efficient enough with his passing. And he alienates any player that can and will make plays without him.

See my signature.

This franchise did this to itself.

 

Dwight is a liar in my eyes so I don't know that any of that's true. What I do know is Chandler was given the ability to leave early because Dwight is here and Lin was traded because we were trying to get a third star. Without Dwight they would not have traded Lin and more than likely would have kept our young core together. I didn't say Dwight didn't like them I said we lost our talent because of Dwight.

 

But you are stupid enough to believe that Howard is better offensive option than other players on this team, when the WAY he wants to play is not efficient at all, so giving more offensive possessions to Howard doesn't make sense, and he doesn't want to play pnr or other types of play, so what do you expect his teammates to do?

Dwight was the one alienating his teammates all year by showing poor effort on both ends of the court due to some trivial, selfish reason that only he sees as a problem. Guess you're not that bright after all if you can't see who was the real cancer and negative influence on this team, even after all these evidences came out.

We are not going to win a single championship with Dwight - with his terrible offense and declining defense - being our starting center, let alone our 2nd star. He was the one holding everyone else down this year, including Harden. Get that through your thick head.

 

Yeah I'm stupid enough to believe that a Howard layup/dunk off a backdoor lob or a seal is a superior offensive option to practically any other offensive option besides Harden finishing. Stupid me. Looney tunes you and anybody else thart isn't stupid with me.

This isn't about HOW Howard WANTS to play. Howard agreed to modify his game and did. What the last 2 seasons have been about is playing the way Harden wants to play without Harden making any adjustments. This is about 2 cornerstone players who failed to work together because they were not held accountable to do so. This is about management choosing one player and wanting out of their commitment to the other player that they owe $23 million to. This is about poor leadership and bad decisions from Les, Morey, and Pistol Pete.


Harden's beard:

1. Who should be our next head coach?

2. What is the weakest component of our basketball style and system that has to be improved for us to be a real contender for the championship?

 

If Dwight is not a winner then what is Harden? Dwight took a team full of role players to the Finals. Harden couldn't get there with Dwight and Chandler.

Remember goose/gander. Cuts both ways Lou.

This team has been Hardens team for 2 seasons. 41-41.

 

HE DOES NOT WANT TO DO THAT. That's how the Rockets wanted him to play. He refused he wants back to the basket touches. He quit when he didn't get that. This post shows you are either delusional, in denial or you can't comprehend simple proven facts. It's one of those things or you have a very short memory or you are just not reading what's being posted. Those are the only reasons I can see that you keep posting this crap, lol.

 

Where is the evidence that we don't throws lobs to Howard when there's a chance? you think defenders are just letting Howard have that kind of opportunity every single time? why isn't Deandre Jordan averaging 30 points a game if that was so easy to do? is CP3 ignoring Deandre and being selfish?

Stop derailing the conversation when this is ABOUT Dwight Howard. Howard did not adjust his mentality at all and wanted to post up. He complained to Morey about his lack of post touches and when got rejected, he admitted he became 'disinterested' in the game, meaning he purposefully did not exert 100% effort and mailed it in for the entire year.

Do you not understand how much of a catastrphic impact that could have on our team's morale, when one of your key players just blatantly gives up and acts like a selfish A-hole?

Dwight was not only a horrible basketball player this season, he was also a terrible leader and brought everyone else down with him. He sulked and cried when he didn't get as many post touches as he wanted, and just gave up trying on both ends of the court. Dwight Howard's shi**y attitude and influence was the main reason we sucked this year.

Dwight Howard was the cancer in both the lockeroom and on the court. He needs to go.

 

lol, advancing to WCF is way tougher than making Fianls in the Eastern Conference, beside Dwight wasn't even the core of that team offensively, there were 3 players who averaged more FGA than Dwight at that time. Yeah, if the 'role players' shoot more than you do, than they ain't just role players or you ain't the core. Rashard Lewis was even selected as an All-star.

Stop trying to change the subject and focus on the Current Dwight. Nobody's saying he wasn't good during his prime, obviosuly he was. The problem is that Dwight is long gone, and what's left is a decling, injury-prone center with 0 skills and selfish, shi**ty attitude. That's the 2016 Dwight we are dealing with here. And he definitely has a loser mentality based on several recent interviews that came out.

 

The current Dwight is owed $23 million next season. We obligated ourselves and tied ourselves to him for 4 seasons three years ago. We have to live with that. Make all the excuses you want. Blame Dwight all you want. But we signed him and committed to him. That's on this organization. We have to live with that.

Knowing that we have to live with these kinds of decisions for the length of time we committed ourselves, it would have been best to make our two cornerstones work together and make it work. Not choose one over the other a year and a half into a 4-year commitment. That's on this organization and we have to eat it.

We handled the Harden-Howard era very foolishly.

 

If he opts in bench him, all year long.

DD

 

It is not true that Dwight refused. That's totally bullcorn that you have no proof of. Dwight modified his game, ran more pick and rolls and took less post-ups. Even though it wasn't what he wanted to do....He did it for the good of the team and our system.

We should've gotten him the ball often enough for him to get his points. Wouldn't have cost us one thing in efficiency. At the very least it would have varied our attack, and gotten us in the bonus earlier with our opponents having more foul trouble to deal with at clutch time.

 

We don't owe him anything, we already paid him sh** load amount of money, if Dwight doesn't play up to his salary level and acts like a selfish, delusional headcase than he's gonna get criticized no matter what. Deal with it.