You're honestly saying that if OKC was dumb enough to trade us Durant for Yao straight up you wouldn't do it just because we wouldn't have a center?
AB is about to get a payday, is he your PG? He's not a great passer or defender and with scorers like Martin, Granger, Scola, Taylor, and Yao do you need a scorer at the PG position? I think AB and Ariza for Granger and Ford is pretty fair and a good trade for both teams. Granger is a 2x all star and a good defender and yes is a better all around player than AB. I would try to keep AB and offer a Ariza, Lowry, Bud type deal first.
Where is Houston going with Yao Ming as their franchise player? Maybe we should trade Arron Brooks for a first round draft pick, and everybody else for spare D-leaguers, right? Or maybe that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Granger is three years younger than Yao. When you have a young guy like that you rebuild around him, not discard the one good thing you have going for you and start over. Heck, Brooks is less than two years younger than Granger. Once they trade for him, they're going to have to turn right around and trade away that old man for younger players following your rationale. So, I'll say again that I still haven't seen a single rational argument that actually tries to get in Indiana's head and explain why they want to trade him.
Granger would be great, but you do NOT give up Brooks for him. Need to keep all of our three point shooters to surround Yao. Anyway, we have enough assets that we shouldn't need to give up Brooks in such a deal. Loot the bench, not the starting five.
The problem with your logic is that Houston has almost always made the playoffs with Yao and been a consistently winning team. With Granger as the man, the Pacers have never come close to even sniffing the playoffs......in the EAST. It's not even a comparable situation.
only player i would trade brooks for is paul ... brooks has basically just played one and a half seasons of basketball and most of it without yao. I think if we let him go we would regret it big time
So the way you make the playoffs is.... trade away your best young player for B-listers and scrubs? Nonsensical. If you were actually their GM, you'd be looking to find ways to add pieces to Granger, not give him away and start over from scratch. The only point in time that Sacramento would consider trading away Kevin Martin was when they needed salary relief, and (more importantly) when they found someone to replace him as their franchise cornerstone which they were building around. Maybe if the man with two first names turns into a 30ppg scorer, and decides that he can't play with Granger, you might have a chance. Until then, they have no motivation to trade him.
I love how people want to blow up a team who won 42 games last year without Yao and half a season with K-mart. See what we have before we trade away everything. If a Granger trade were to go down I would give up something along the lines of ariza-hill-jeffries and a ny pick
I would give up alot to get Granger. Ariza + Budinger + Hill + 2 Knicks picks Brooks / Lowry Martin / Taylor Granger / Battier Scola / Patterson Yao / Miller / Hayes Thats a pretty crazy lineup.
Of course not!!!!!!!! Back up Big Man FIRST!!! Then possibly Granger but not for as much as you are willing to give up!! Possibly Battier and Hill...............
If we could do it for Battier/Ariza(preferably Battier), Jeffries, Brooks and picks for Granger and Ford, we would benefit more so yeah. As long as we get Miller to backup Yao. Or whoever.
that was what I was proposing earlier. A win win situation for both ball clubs if you ask me. This could turn into a situation is eerily similar to the Kevin Martin-Tyreke Evans situation.
Who would play with Durant???? Mbenga/Kristic/ect That example was extreme, because one is 30 and the other 20ish, but my point is, trading 2 above average players, with approximately the same age/upside, you don´t create a hole in your roster You only do it, if you trade for a superstar, without giving one back, and even that you have to be careful, because you can´t do a season with a 6 player rotation I am not a AB fan, he isn´t as good as the wild wild west PG players, but he doesn´t need to dish 10 assists per day, with Yao he just need to hit that 3ball like a stud, and dribble-drive and go to the FT all day, and that AB does it with above average consistency Can we upgrade the PG with a CP3??? We can If we traded AB, Lowry would start??? Is there a better FA??? Would Lowry hit that 3ball??? Teams would double Yao, let Lowry alone in the 3pt line, and when the ball goes to him, the Other PG plants his feet in the paint and takes charges all day I am a Lowry fan, but I understand that he is more important for the backups off the bench, then he could be, playing a starting role He is important for Budinger and TAYLOR to run the floor, plus Hill and Paterson, changing the pace of the game, with Yao on the floor you need a guy that can play Half-court offense, aka shoot the open jumper, after Yao gets the defenses attention You don´t upgrade the SF position, downgrading the PG position efficiency, you only do it, if the upgrade is huge, in this case it isn´t, because Ariza can shoot that 3 ball like a man, and his a very very decent defender plus rebounder PeAcE
Indiana could very well be put in the same situation as the Kings were. It was rumored that the Pacers could leave town because of financial distress and they could run into the same problem as the Kings were. The reason why Martin was traded was because Evans was blossoming into a legit shooting guard, the same position that Martin plays. The Kings thought that Martin would hinder Evans growth so they moved Martin to free up playing time for Evans and also got back a much needed low post scorer in Landry. Same situation could very well happen in Indiana. Pacers just drafted Paul George and recent scouting reports have him being a very solid player, quite possibly one of the best at his position in the draft. He also just happens to play the same position as one Mr. Granger. Also just like the Kings, the Pacers really need to upgrade their point guard position and we can send them Aaron Brooks in a package for him. Basically what I'm trying to say is: Granger is what Martin was to the Kings. Paul George is what Evans is to the Kings. And Brooks is what Landry was to the Kings and what Brooks will be for the Pacers. An upgrade at both their respected positions.
Do you really think Granger is someone a contending team could be built around? If you do, I question you knowledge of basketball. Granger is not a guy a team can be built around. Neither was Bosh or Gasol, but Granger is not even on their level. Getting 2 lottery picks, Lull, Budinger, and Hill would be enough for them to start over with
When Paul George puts up Tyreke Evans numbers, and starts to complain about playing with Granger, then you might make sense. Certainly, they aren't going to anoint the #14 pick in the draft as the next Tyreke Evans and the new cornerstone of their franchise before the summer league is over. Maybe come January if George blows everybody away.
