Dallas Observer column (Morning After Pill incident)

Quit pushing your rights on me will ya it hurts!

 

You may not be familiar with the seedy underworld of the pro-life movement, but there is a lot more to it than just seeking legislative change. Certainly there is that one and rather large element, but they do many other things to try to foster a social change to make abortions less common. For example, they run charities that provide support to mothers and mothers-to-be that need healthcare, prenatal care, housing, food, work, clothes, education, counseling, help with addiction or whatever other want may induce a woman to think of having an abortion. They tend to be involved with adoption and foster-care programs. And, if you care to attend their churches, they'll usually encourage practices and lifestyles that keep unwanted pregnancies down and build a community that fosters mutual support in times of need. I know that doesn't sound attractive to one and all, but I wouldn't say their approach is solely legislative. Every avenue they can think of has been addressed.

 

Dude you are rocking my world today!!

 

The difference is that 50% of Americans don't think it is wrong. I would think that 99% do think that murder is wrong. So how do you reasonably enforce that? We should focus on changing hearts and minds, not imprisoning them.

4,400 abortions everyday. How many new jails will it take to complete your agenda?

 

What does that mean? Please, I'm not trying to be facetious. As I said in my last post about it, I keep hearing people say that, but I either don't know what it means or don't know how it applies. Can you give me an example of someone violating someone else's right by pushing their moral beliefs on them?

 

Throw the doctors who are performing the operations in jail. Treat it as they do the drug problem, counseling and help for the women and jail time for doc's. But you can't think that number would stay that high if it were made illegal.

 

No "counseling" for the doctors?

Since the War on Drugs started, the user numbers have stayed about the same. You're kidding yourself. It's about supply and demand. People will find a way.

 

Drugs are much harder to trace than abortions. There are certain things one needs to perform. Let's not set the standards of society based upon criminal action.

Doctors don't incur a tenth of the hardship a mother goes through. Most women who have abortions end up either incredibly depressed and sad or pro-life. It's something that needs counseling already (which is given by pro-life groups, probably some pro-choice ones as well) But if the doctors were feeling that bad about it I don't see why they wouldn't get counseling as well.

 

Sure. The raped woman and her friend who tried to help her. Their rights were violated in exactly this way.

 

another fine example of the anti-abortion's lies and scare tatics

 

Well, I gathered that much from the context. But, sincerely, I'm not getting it. Their right to _____ was violated when the pharmacist _____ because _____. Is it that their right to use a product was violated when the pharmacist wouldn't sell it to them because, well, I don't know why. I guess I'm not seeing why the pharmacist is beholden to the customer. Classically, we have a Bill of Rights that makes the government beholden to the citizen. But, that doesn't apply to nongovernmental bodies. Since then, I hear about all sorts of 'rights' we have, and these rights don't seem to be protections owed to us by our government but rather things owed to us by other people. Like how this pharmacist owes the woman service. At least this is the message I'm getting here. Am I hearing you right? And if so, where do these entitlements come from?

 

And your source for this is??
I know women who have had an abortion and, while it is not a pleasant experience, both physically and emotionally, I have not seen any long-term effects and have not been told of any. I'm sure there are exceptions to this, but I've seen far more mental anquish and depression from people who have had heart attacks and/or open heart surgery. And in those cases, it was the exception rather than the norm as well.

Frankly, I don't know why I'm posting in this thread. I generally avoid them like the plague, for reasons that are on full display now. I guess that it's because this particular incident was so clearly a terrible injustice to that woman, and her friend, that I couldn't imagine a reaction like the topic generally gets, because it doesn't fit that topic... in my opinion. The reaction of some posters who usually have a strong opinion against abortion supported that belief. Now that it has degenerated into the same polarized, emotional argument it almost always falls into, I think I will back away from the keyboard, figuratively speaking, and let those who want to rehash the other threads have at it.

I hope that woman gets the justice she deserves. She was terribly wronged.

 

Since you quoted me, JV, while I was typing my last post, I'll respond so that Mango doesn't give me a stare.
(j/k, Mango!)

JV, you're not understanding me and I'm not understanding you. Let's leave it at that. Ain't Francis a pistol??

 

And this is just the first site on google.

http://www.priestsforlife.org/postabortion/postabortionmaster.htm

 

Sorry for two post I haven't given money to edit just yet...

http://www.pregnantpause.org/numbers/wherenow.htm

 

there are thousands of crisis pregnancy centers throughout the country that show these women ultrasounds that planned parenthood would never let them see...that offer them job training...that help them find financial aid and grants to finish school..that provide baby furniture, toys and clothes...the carenet pregnancy centers here in Houston are my favorite! my firm hosts a table or 2 every year at their fundraiser and it is our "pet" charity. it is an awesome, awesome organization.

the problem is...while you might "sympathize" more with pro-lifers because of this...other groups do not...and they try to make these very caring groups appear evil or forcing a political agenda on women.

 

wow...turns out i didn't need to write the post i just wrote. thanks, JV.

 

This is something I wasn't aware of, and I'm not sure how common it is, but even if it's true in only a small percentage of cases it's still a good thing.

While I still disagree with the Anti-Abortionist political position, and find their social stance more an irrational (and sometimes deadly) response than a practical one, it is good whenever a part of an organization, even a small and non-representative part, can see through its own fanaticism for long enough to actually help a few real people.

 

it doesn't surprise me you haven't heard about this.

but there are huge networks of adoption agencies, crisis pregnancy centers and other non-profits that work to provide an alternative to abortion for these women..who help make the decision to keep the baby easier.

www.care-net.org is the one i'm most familar with...but there are countless others. at the events i've been to, mothers talk about the child they love more than anything..that they would have aborted, otherwise...but were shown love and care for them and their children that they had never seen before.

 

Good to hear you are getting some new info Thad...see we're not all bad!

Here's another great pregnancy help center...

http://www.pregnancycenters.org/