Dallas Morning News Q/A on Tracy McGrady All-Star/"Tradeability" Status

Well, at the very least, Lawrence did mention that the Knicks would have to trick Houston into giving up McGrady. There's absolutely no one on the Knicks worth trading for, except *maybe* David Lee. At any rate, I doubt Zeke has the ability to "hoodwink" other GMs, anyway, given his track record.

 

Thanks, Raven. I think that's the best way to phrase the counter argument to the "patience" arguments for not trading T-Mac during Adelman's first year.

 

I would do it if knicks give us David Lee , this year's first pick(could be top 3), and one of their starting wing player(this is more like a filler)

 

Are you kidding me? A solid defender in Diop? The only solid thing about Diop is his solidly incapability on the offensive end. Harris is good, but the kid makes mental mistakes from time to time, very unreliable. The rest are trash.

The only trade I can see is with Dalls is Josh Howard, Devin Harris + filler for Tmac and James. But even that I feel we are robbed.

 

Uh, not gonna work. You have to take back near equal salary from the Knicks in a trade.

 

I know Richardson or Crawford makes half of TMac's salary. I am not sure I want to take both of them. I am not sure either if Knicks have another 8M contract expiring in one or two years.

 

No the point the author was trying to make is that he knew the trade value of TMac and this flimsy q and a session between some dallas mediot and some maverick fans showed how right he was. Fact is, there are only a few dozen people who determine what his trade value actually is, and it's not beat reporters paid to dredge up gossip, and it's certainly not fans dreamcasting their favorite deals. If me being able to see through the bull**** makes me a prick then so be it.

Morey has said some stuff about him not looking to trade TMac, but who really cares. Any good gm would never admit to shopping around anyway.

And don't be surprised if McGrady is still here next season if we get bounced out of the first round, or if he's traded in the next few days. Some people like to pretend like they have a crystal ball, but the only ones signing off on any deals are Les, Morey and RA, and they haven't really said anything that we can bank on.

 

The majority of those votes come from T-MAC fans! The same fans that have voted him in like the last seven years! Why would they all of a sudden change their mind on who to vote for? And I'm pretty sure not all chinese fans vote for T-Mac and Yao. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of them voting for AI and Kobe too. Plus, T-Mac always puts on a great show at the All-Star game. That's probably a good reason why he is always named a starter. I remember voting for him when he was with the Magic.

 

They are all trash! Devin Harris is a ballhog and a flopper, Stackhouse just shoots, and Diop is way overrated! The only decent player on the Mavs is Josh Howard, who always kills us. I doubt they would ever move him.

 

I guess I ignore the ignorant homer Rocket fans which makes me just as guilty as being a homer than anyone else. I will say that there is a difference between being a homer and having absolutely no idea that there are good players out there besides the ones on your team. Mavericks fans overvalue their players and would not trade most of them for anything while Rockets fans will look at other teams to try to think of ways to upgrade the team since we have more of an allaround basketball knowledge than Dallas. Most of us grew up watching the Rockets at early ages or at least had an interest in some teams. The same can not be said for the Mavericks. They have only been even remotely relevant in the past 10 years or so which is why they have a bunch of bandwagon fans who don't know anything about the NBA as a whole. Sorry Mavericks fans but Devean George SUCKS and Jason Terry and Josh Howard are more important than Dirk!!!

 

Alright, I was wondering where some Mavs bashers are. Nice to hear from you. I have a guy at work who is a Spurs fans and we talk about why we hate the Mavs and that they will never win a championship and even if they do they will have to catch up with the Rockets and Spurs.

 

a true Rockets' fan is a true Mavs hater!

I talked with a friend of mine earlier, who is a die-hard Mavs fan, and said he would much rather have McGrady on the Mavs than Nowitzky. He also believes Josh Howard is the true superstar on the team.

Nowitzky ownage!

 

The only Maverick that interests me is Josh Howard who I absolutely hate but will begrudingly admit is a great player. Hell, I would think long and hard about trading McGrady for Howard straight up.

 

Bingo, Crisco, which is the larger point that I was trying to make with you: Morey has had plenty of chances to say that T-Mac isn't on the block and really hasn't done so. Nor has T-Mac personally and specifically disputed the rumors, e.g. the Detroit locker room incident after which the "Half man, half a season" moniker was allegedly created.

This is a fan forum for me and everybody else to express our opinion about T-Mac, his impact on and value to this team. IMHO, T-Mac's stock right now as high as it's going to get this season. If we keep McGrady and don't make it through the first round of the playoffs this year, T-Mac won't be worth more than a $20,000,000 food stamp next season.

It's your tone that IMHO made you look like a prick (at least to me). Don't get me wrong here GreasyMan: you are a longtime BBSer and I respect your opinions, and even agree with them most of the time. I just tire of the nasty rhetoric that you and some others spew out around here from time to time. We all have our opinions, and mine is that we are better surrounding Yao with complimentary players than we are with a T-Mac/Yao system where everybody else just stands around. Lots of folks share that sentiment. Deal with it.

 

I don't think it matters what the gm says(or doesn't say) as far as trade talks go unless he backs himself into a corner with a stupid statement like "he will be traded."

Duh, of course it is. But that doesn't mean you or anyone else on the board really know what Tmac's trade value is unless you are tapping Morey's phones or can crawl inside the heads of the other gms around the league. You are projecting a lot more into the original post in this thread than is actually there. No insult intended, but I would suggest reading it again(all two sentences of it, not the excerpt) and see what poor logic it actually is. It was flimsy, and I have no clue why you are defending it so passionately. The takes you are giving are a lot more substantial and not even really related to what he was stating.

Thanks for the compliment. I respect your opinions as well, lest I wouldn't even be responding. I certainly don't disagree with the Yao/TMac standing around opinion. I don't think trading McGrady is the end all be all solution to that, but it certainly is an option.

Also, I think that you need to realize that people are going to use the emoticon from time to time and deal with it.

 

Crisco,

Just watch the tone. You jumped the poster pretty hard. Just point out the weakness in the point and move along next time, or don't bother because somebody else will flame him to increase their post count. It's easy.

As for my defense of the post's substance, don't read too much into it -- that is to say that I think you did. Do you really think the guy was saying that just because a DMN beat writer expressed some opinion about T-Mac that means the poster thought it was true? I didn't take it that way.

-P1st, S2nd

 

Josh Howard is a very good player and he plays hard but he is not as talented as McGrady. Josh Howard looks better than he is because he is on a strong team.

 

u know what kills me about tracy and the rox fans? People say he's injury prone and I think he tends to get nicked, but since he's been with the rox, he and yao have played the same amount of games. I mean if he and Yao have both played 221 games, do we not label yao injury prone? I think perception can be reality.

 

I agree that it's much better to keep a positive tone, and I strive for that, but what can I say, sometimes posts do irk me, as mine did to you. It gets on my nerves a little more when it's the thread starter though.

I really think the poster thought the q and a was validation of what he believed was true, yes. Either that or it was a joke post, which I doubt.

 

This offer is a thousand times better than the trade offer being mentioned in this thread:http://bbs.clutchfans.com/showthread.php?t=140695&page=1 and that in itself makes baby Jesus cry.