Dallas May Make History, Not that there's anything wrong with that

Nolen,

I do support anti discrimination laws for gays. I may see it as a small percentage of the overall picture, but I know it goes on and frankly it's stupid to fire anyone simply because they're gay. I dont know why there hasnt been a harder push to get this legislation rolling, all I hear is about gay marriage.

You shouldn't apologize, I don't think you were rude. You were just spekaing your mind about a subject you're very passionate on, and I actually admire that more than anything else.

 

I'm black, and I don't have any problem with it. Homophobia and racism are just different branches of the same bigoted tree.

 

I can say everything points toward their being a GOD

I have not seen a Conclusive study of a biological component of Homosexuality. If you have a link . . I would gladly read it.

Rocket River

 

You would still deny it.

 

Actually I don't think anyone says that Gays *should be* discriminated against

Being against Discrimination seems universal [in theory or in lipservice]
However
The issue is that people want to equate
Passing [being in the closet] and various indignities of the modern homosexual
to
Slavery, Jim Crow, Lynchings of what Black People in America

they are not the same. . they are not in the same Planet

To say it is like the Modern Discrimination and Racism black folx deal with
I could deal with that . . but not the historical Racism and the Civil Rights Movement

The Civil Rights Movement was probably one of the most significant events of the 20th century. It is the benchmark and standard of social movements and the human quest for equality. It acheived to the point that others acheived similar ends. While it started as a Black Movement it was never a Call for Blacks Only. [never been a GO FOR SELF kind of people] It became a universal Call of equality.

The Movement was met with Hoses, attack dogs, lynchings and Assasinations
Has the Gay Rights Movement had *any* of those?

So to say the Gay Rights Movement is Equal is maddness to me
Are their Ends Similar? YES [CRM was about basic Human Rights and GRM is about equality under the law]

Gays are fighting to Add to the Laws
Black had laws made specifically against them and were fighting to remove them. [Still fighting]

As for Marriage: It never had a Racial Component but always had a gender component.

I have no hatred of Gay/Homosexuals/etc
In fact I have no Hatred for any Group of people
[we all may have a hatred of a person but a group of people is an issue]
Contrary to Popular beleif I ain't trying to hold the Gay Man down
I ain't trying to prevent him/her from 'getting' theirs
[even though as a good capitalist it is what i should be doing
but that is another argument ]

I can sense that people here are Very strong opinions
and respect it
In fact I a glad to see them

Rocket River

 

So is this to say you have none?
You are correct in the assumption that I will not BLINDLY just accept it
I *will* question it and I *will* need to be convinced

I don't bow down to the temple of science as the end all be all
and simply accept whatever they say

Rocket River

 

Bow down to science? You are nuts.

There is no "proof" that people are born left handed either. Are you going to deny that too? We know people are left handed because we observe them to be so. Scientists have theories why they are born that way but they can not prove it. Yet nobody argues that people are not born that way. It is because the Christian/Biblical stigma over left handedness no longer exists. This is nothing but (certain) religious prejudice. There is no other reason.

 

Unless I have mistaken
People have routinely denigrate people's beleif in God
because of Lack of PROOF and that Science Proves this that and the other
now
You telling me that the Lack of Proof here is . . uhm. . not an issue?
I should beleive on what? . . .. . Faith?

Rocket River

 

Is it faith to see that there are left handed people? Is it faith to see that there are gay people? If they tell you that their homosexuality is innate, why don't you just take their word on it? Why don't you want to believe them? Are you going to disagree with left handed people that they are born that way too?

I am left handed. I was born this way. I don't do everything left handed though. I'm sure I could have been pressured into using my right hand instead. But I use my left hand without even thinking about it. It comes naturally to me. Seven percent of the population is left handed. Seven percent of the population is gay. They claim to be born this gay. I claim to be born left handed. Science can not explain why people are born left handed, yet we do not demand proof that they are. Sexual orientation just isn't evident until a person is a little older. The "proof" is staring you in the face.

 

SO

With GOD
You need Scientific 'Proof' . . and then you will Beleive
With other things
You Believe . . . and wait on the scientific 'Proof'?

Interesting

Rocket River

 

I'm am not "believing" that people are born left handed. It is something that is universally understood because there is no "religious" need not to. Everybody can see it. Everybody could see the same about gay people if their "beliefs" did not get in the way. You are not asking for proof, you already admitted that you wouldn't accept it anyway because of your "beliefs".

 

I admit I wouldn't accept it without question
big different

Rocket River

 

Do you feel the same way about left-handedness?

 

Everyone deserves equality. Period. And everyone's movement in striving for equality is equality legitimate. To say otherwise is to go against the very foundation upon which the civil rights movement was founded. One can always say there were others that had it worse. Not just abroad, but here.

Where was the civil rights movement for Native Americans? Millions wiped out. One could say the civil rights movement doesn't compare anything to wha they went through....which is arguably genocide. So why compare? Why are people trying to put down gay's stuggle for equality? Why are they less deserving then anyone else? Becuase they suffered less?

Since when does the right to be equal depend on the amount that you've suffered?

 

irrelevent.
I beleive in Nuture over Nature in various things
Left handedness has far more evidence than Homosexuality

Rocket River
and . . we still have no proof from you . . I will now officially expect none

 

Do you read the thread or simply just reply to what you think you thought you saw???

As they kids say . . .you dipping in the Kool-Aid and don't even know what the Flavor is. . .

Rocket River

 

"Where is the evidence why people are born left-handed. I refuse to believe until you show it to me."

That's exactly how you sound.

 

Was that my first post on this thread? Care to apologize?

How about addressing what I wrote? Ya know, law or no law, people are fighting for the same thing. I guess it's easier to nuance that as a way to marginalize the importance of one cause versus another, or somehow elevate once cause to being the most sacred.

 

Apologize? You know. . you sure are funny
Never said Gays should not have rights.. .. equal rights or otherwise
so your question was ignorant

I said Gay Rights Movement cannot Equate to the Civil Rights Movement
PERIOD!

Now you can Apologize

Rocket River

 

But by saying that gays quest for rights is not equal to that of blacks, you're saying it's a lesser quest, and therefore thier rights are not as legitimate as blacks.

In fact, you are saying that gays are not entitled to the same rights.

You can state that the law was against blacks then, so they had a greater struggle. But like I said, there was no law taking away Native American rights, there just was no law recognizing them, so you could just shoot them and face no reprecussion.

But I guess that's lesser then what blacks had to go through in being denied a seat at the front of the bus or forced to use different water coolers right? Because there was no law saying you can't shoot an injun.

THere's no law saying you can't discriminate against gays - so that's ok. And even though there's a law saying gays can't marry - that somehow is ok too.

Frankly, if you want to dress up discrimination in sheep's clothing, that's your choice. But I'll call a wolf as I see it.