If Granger is traded, whoever trades for him is going to have to take Posey also. This leaves Indy with a youth movement and something like $14 million payroll for next season. Yao's contract and Indy's choice of either the 2011 pick or 2012 pick, plus possibly Hill, may be enough to get Indy to move Granger and Posey if they are indeed going to rebuild young.
yes he's making 13 million but you must not realize that it would only be short term seeing that his contract expires at the end of the year. And your saying the only reason he gets blocks is because of his wing span? Are you serious! Just say you don't like the guy. A guy like Perkins don't score much but he anchors the middle. Plus Przybilla is older and has never put up numbers as good as Dalembert.
I didnt even see that you've actually been a member here for that long. Been wanting to rebuild ever since Moochie Norris strolled into town? Was kidding about the perpetual tank mode. I know someone who's a staunch advocate of selling high on players the minute they get past their peak. Basketball isnt like baseball where you can do that and get back multiple high-rated prospects, but its an approach I don't really disagree with. If ANY players were players you do that with, it was Yao & Mcgrady. I didnt have faith in Yao and McGrady's health either. After Yao went down with injury against the Lakers in the playoffs, that should been THE end of the experiment right then and there. And even that mighta been a year too late.
Technically the Rockets would not pay Dalember $13 million. He'd be getting paid just for the time he's on the Rockets. Right now it'd be like $5 mil the rest of the season, and gets lesser each passing week. Could maybe have the other team add cash into the deal to help out on the costs. The loss is in giving up an additional asset that can be useful to the team by itself or towards a bigger trade for a better player. Dalembert isnt worth giving up multiple assets by himself. An All-Star rental in Carmelo would be.
I agree that the giving up something for him doesnt seem like a good deal. I know that it is a short term lease, but like Shroopy is saying, we have to give up a good asset for it. Also, I have nothing against Dalembert, I dont like the fact that he doesn't hustle. I've watched him in Sactown and in Phil, it has been the same deal with both teams. He is inconsistent, turnover happy, and bad fundementals. He is 6'11 with the wing span of 7'5 (90.5 inches) i Read some scouting reports and it says that his ability to block is due to his wing span. His reaction is slow due to lack of euthasism. Which agrees to what i have been seeing. http://hoopshype.com/players/samuel_dalembert.htm http://c2c-basketball.com/Website/51.html All in all, we do need an inside presences, he is an option but to me he isnt the best option. We have a team that has a lot of heart and I want someone that shows the same thing.
Things that make me go "Hmmmmmm...." A large segment of this board uses +/- and PER to evaluate a player. A large portion of this board wants to bring back Carl Landry. A significant portion of this thread dislikes obtaining Dalembert. Dalembert's minutes as a King are all at C, he is the Center on every Kings' Top 5 man rotation (source: 82games) and Dalembert has better +/- and PER than Landry.
At least with Dalembert you put yourself in a good position to resign him, probably with a reduced contract (between 5-10M). With Melo, there's like 0.05% chance he'll resign with Houston off his own free will. He'll go to NY as soon as the season ends. What exactly did you do the rental for? To get a lower draft pick for 2011? Even if a franchise tag happens that you could slap on his b**** ass, would you really want your best player to be forced to stay here? You think the guy who pines for NY would give everything just to win for Houston? C'mon man! There's no way renting Melo would be worth it.
Who gives a FaK? Thats like saying garbage is available at your local curbside. Its not that he isnt good???? Wellll?? Yeah it is because he isnt good. :grin:
Melo wants the extension and houston is willing to give it to him and also willing to trade him. That said, renting melo would return us something good via 3 way trade to NYK as well as forcing the Knicks to hurt their future by giving up picks, talents, cash ,etc. With Melo, doing an extend and trade would actually help us and him. Ie: if we did an extend and trade at the end of the season right before draft day, we could do a three way like this: Houston gets: AI + picks NY gets Melo PHI gets Galo, Randolph, Turiaf, fields & fillers.+picks This would hurt NYK really back because there would be no roler players for the knicks. Houston gets AI who they really like+picks we lost out on to get melo. We dont have to loose too much, because the first trade to get melo would probably be steep. ie: Martin, AB, Bud, CLee, Hill+ picks because we would have had to taken on other contractrs like Nene, and Billups, etc. If it all worked out our team woud look something like this. (granted my assumed trade matches salary and all.) Billups/Lowry/ish smith AI/William Battier/ Scola/Chuck/PPat Nene/Miller/Yao Which isnt all that bad. Billups is a meaty pg and he can defend, AI is a 2 way player, we resign battier for more D, and Nene can hold his own in the post. We get way better in D and we have offense punch that we need in the post/and wings. While if we get Dalembert, we just straight loose assets, ie: Sactown has said if they move Dalemebert that they want a big expiring contract, i think they are hinting towards Yao's but we would probably give them Battier/JJ So the trade would look something like this: Houston gets Dalembert/Landry Sactown gets AB/Jared/Battier PLus, there is not way Dalembert wants a 5-7 mill contract. So I will peg that his contract will be close to 9 mill going up to 11 mill on a 3 yr contract. Where would that leave us to resign Yao? We killed cap space, and we dont have a wing. Martin could still be good if Yao comes back and we all know that is a big IF. Houston would also have to sign landry back & and I think they want to bring Battier back. So, Dalember with 9mill, Yao with 8mill Landry 4mill, battier with 5mill. That is 27 mill in contracts. Not to forget Hayes would command a 4-5 mill contract. We Spend 32-33 mill in the off season. our team would look like this PG: Lowry, Ish SG: Martin/Lee SF: Bud/Williams PF: Scola/Landry/PPat/Hill/Chuck/ C: Dalembert/Yao/Miller NO wing defenders and a suspect Post defender. I dont think we win on that. Dalembert, if we do want him, is to get him in the offseason. I am sure we would have a good shot to get him.
haha yes ive been a member since it was clutchCITY.net. and yes earlier in that season when tmac came back from off season surgery without rehabbing, that should've been his exit queue. the team just traded for artest, they were a legit contender, and tmac messed it up. inexcusable, time to go. imagine if the rockets could've trade tmac to the clippers for an unprotected #1?! they might have done it. tmac was a superstar and they needed a small forward to go with davis, gordon, camby, kaman. sterling would've been for it just to put fans in seats, and we would've been watching blake griffin every day! thats the kind of trade the rockets need to be focusing on. moving talent for picks, or young players with upside. not guys on the decline like dalembert.
