?????? when did i say that?? I take his statement that it's up to world leaders whether or not to attend the games as a statement that Dali Lama thing they abosultely could, which is a "nod" of boycotting opening ceremony to me
personally, i didn't read any chinese articles about him and couldn't pass my judgement on them so, did you read a lot of those chinese articles?
The Dalai Lama has a secret red cell phone under all those robes that he uses to keep world leaders on the same page. He's got more subtle signals than a third base coach. Bahaha...
yeah, he surely does a way more excellent public relationship job in the west than the disobedient CCP
Dalai lama admits in Seattle that his representatives are currently in contact with the Chinese government, although he previously denied any and called for Chinese to talk to him in public. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/world/asia/14dalai.html What makes you to think he doesn't have anyone in contact with whatever "world leader"?
The Dalai Lama Clique... Those guys sound amazing. How do they distinguish themselves from the other kids in school? Popped collars on their ochre robes?
The Dalai Lama is having people protest against him to stop supporting protests that he has been critical off! Hilarious. Do these protesters know that he is against them? I guess the Chinese propanganda machine extends into the U.S. itself. Just goes to show how powerful blind nationalism can go, but we learned that lesson many times before including from Japan and Germany. Nonetheless, China is trying to play the victim card against a people they pretty much obliterated and oppressed. Tibetan culture is nearly dead, replaced with homogenized Chinese culture. The Chinese gov't is akin to the Taliban. Destroy all internal culture not synonymous with Marxism and isolate your people to "protect" them against the evils of westernization - then claim a right to territories that you might have occupied at one point in your culture's history (the very culture that's being wiped out) and then go invade and commit a sort of jihad. Frankly, I think it's all moot. China wiped out Tibet and it's culture, and the world stood by and did nothing. Tibetians missed their opportunity because now their country is fully occupied and they'll be a minority soon. In a 100 years, Tibetian culture will go the way of native americans. Probably the Chinese will give them a casino to run.
The Dalai Lama has said he respects free speech. Why he might've been put off by a plane flying over his speech I doubt he will call for the US government to ban that or try to stop it, unlike the PRC which has called upon governments along the torch path to clamp down on protests. Once again though I find it ironic how the PRC and their supporters are so upset when protestors disrupt their official events yet are fine with disrupting others official events.
Slow down. If all the "free Tibet" protesters did was to fly some plane-towed flier, rather than grabbing touch, disrupting the procession etc, I wouldn't utter a peep. And I doubt anybody else cares. Would the torch relay change route if all they did was to hang some banner on the golden bridge, or wave some flyer? Do you really not see the difference between this kind of protest and the so-called "peaceful protests"?
Dalai Lama is as such a politician as a spiritual leader, as evidenced ny his secretive dealing with China and public crying of no one talking to him. There's just no denying that.
Oh, so they were right when they said Sweet Lou 4 2 is NewYorker. So I hope no one would speculate again that I was NewYorker from now on. NewYorker finally can't resist the temptation to engage in his ego-boasting debate in the D&D again. The rat can't resist the smell of cheese. Well, perhaps NewYorker has never really left the D&D. Where is Desert_Rocket?
It's now clear that NewYorker has lied all along that he would leave the D&D and stick to strictly basketball talks only. He lied to his "friends" that he would stay away from the D&D when he was still posting under different names here. Actually he has never really left the D&D. That's what I have suspected and that's why I have started the thread "Who was NewYorker?" in the hangout the other day.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/o...10&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin China’s Loyal Youth Article Tools Sponsored By By MATTHEW FORNEY Published: April 13, 2008 MANY sympathetic Westerners view Chinese society along the lines of what they saw in the waning days of the Soviet Union: a repressive government backed by old hard-liners losing its grip to a new generation of well-educated, liberal-leaning sophisticates. As pleasant as this outlook may be, it’s naïve. Educated young Chinese, far from being embarrassed or upset by their government’s human-rights record, rank among the most patriotic, establishment-supporting people you’ll meet. As is clear to anyone who lives here, most young ethnic Chinese strongly support their government’s suppression of the recent Tibetan uprising. One Chinese friend who has a degree from a European university described the conflict to me as “a clash between the commercial world and an old aboriginal society.” She even praised her government for treating Tibetans better than New World settlers treated Native Americans. It’s a rare person in China who considers the desires of the Tibetans themselves. “Young Chinese have no sympathy for Tibet,” a Beijing human-rights lawyer named Teng Biao told me. Mr. Teng — a Han Chinese who has offered to defend Tibetan monks caught up in police dragnets — feels very alone these days. Most people in their 20s, he says, “believe the Dalai Lama is trying to split China.” Educated young people are usually the best positioned in society to bridge cultures, so it’s important to examine the thinking of those in China. The most striking thing is that, almost without exception, they feel rightfully proud of their country’s accomplishments in the three decades since economic reforms began. And their pride and patriotism often find expression in an unquestioning support of their government, especially regarding Tibet. The most obvious explanation for this is the education system, which can accurately be described as indoctrination. Textbooks dwell on China’s humiliations at the hands of foreign powers in the 19th century as if they took place yesterday, yet skim over the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s and ’70s as if it were ancient history. Students learn the neat calculation that Chairman Mao’s tyranny was “30 percent wrong,” then the subject is declared closed. The uprising in Tibet in the late 1950s, and the invasion that quashed it, are discussed just long enough to lay blame on the “Dalai clique,” a pejorative reference to the circle of advisers around Tibet’s spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama. Then there’s life experience — or the lack of it — that might otherwise help young Chinese to gain a perspective outside the government’s viewpoint. Young urban Chinese study hard and that’s pretty much it. Volunteer work, sports, church groups, debate teams, musical skills and other extracurricular activities don’t factor into college admission, so few participate. And the government’s control of society means there aren’t many non-state-run groups to join anyway. Even the most basic American introduction to real life — the summer job — rarely exists for urban students in China. Recent Chinese college graduates are an optimistic group. And why not? The economy has grown at a double-digit rate for as long as they can remember. Those who speak English are guaranteed good jobs. Their families own homes. They’ll soon own one themselves, and probably a car too. A cellphone, an iPod, holidays — no problem. Small wonder the Pew Research Center in Washington described the Chinese in 2005 as “world leaders in optimism.” As for political repression, few young Chinese experience it. Most are too young to remember the Tiananmen massacre of 1989 and probably nobody has told them stories. China doesn’t feel like a police state, and the people young Chinese read about who do suffer injustices tend to be poor — those who lost homes to government-linked property developers without fair compensation or whose crops failed when state-supported factories polluted their fields. Educated young Chinese are therefore the biggest beneficiaries of policies that have brought China more peace and prosperity than at any time in the past thousand years. They can’t imagine why Tibetans would turn up their noses at rising incomes and the promise of a more prosperous future. The loss of a homeland just doesn’t compute as a valid concern. Of course, the nationalism of young Chinese may soften over time. As college graduates enter the work force and experience their country’s corruption and inefficiency, they often grow more critical. It is received wisdom in China that people in their 40s are the most willing to challenge their government, and the Tibet crisis bears out that observation. Of the 29 ethnic-Chinese intellectuals who last month signed a widely publicized petition urging the government to show restraint in the crackdown, not one was under 30. Barring major changes in China’s education system or economy, Westerners are not going to find allies among the vast majority of Chinese on key issues like Tibet, Darfur and the environment for some time. If the debate over Tibet turns this summer’s contests in Beijing into the Human Rights Games, as seems inevitable, Western ticket-holders expecting to find Chinese angry at their government will instead find Chinese angry at them. Matthew Forney, a former Beijing bureau chief for Time, is writing a book about raising his family in China.
a bull**** article trying to put the blame on the government again. i was in China when 1989 happened. i remember it clearly. another writer who mis-understood Chinese youth.
Not to personalize this but I find it doubtful that you wouldn't utter a peep as in other Tibet related threads, long before the current incident, you have criticized the pro-Tibet side even when there were no protests. While I don't support aggressive protests the PRC has asked for foreign governments to clamp down on protests ahead of time and they themselves are clamping down on even peaceful protests such as by banning live coverage of Tiananmen.
