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[Daily News] Jackson rumored to Houston .. If JVG gone!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Do WHAT?, May 11, 2005.

  1. Chilly_Pete

    Chilly_Pete Member

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    Is that Big Triangle Zen Mysticism?
     
  2. edc

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    Don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion.
     
  3. gucci888

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    No way JVG gets fired so the point is moot. I'll admit that I hated JVG when he first got here, but I have grown to love his intensity and his style.

    With that being said, IF something were to happen (which it won't), PJ would be a perfect fit.
     
  4. Will

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    **** Phil Jackson. **** opportunists. If your wife is making you happier than you could have expected, and you dump her for a serial gold digger, you deserve what you get.

    Save that extra $5m/year for some cap-stretching.
     
  5. edc

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    Then again, if you dumped your longtime wife in favor of a sour shrew who cannot enjoy herself, perhaps you are better off rolling he dice with the guaranteed good time for as long as it lasts...
     
  6. Will

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    LOL. Yes, I forgot about that. Loyalty to the second wife is an interesting concept.
     
  7. lalala902102001

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    Jeff Van Gundy is one of the best coaches in the NBA. He hasn't won a championship, but it doesn't mean that he can't win one. You have to have a championship caliber team before you can win a championship. JVG has never had one in his coaching career. It's way too early to give up on him.

    Besides, I still don't think that this Houston team is good enough for Phil Jackson. We have the foundation, but we are missing several pieces.
     
  8. sums41

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    i thought we were talking about Jim Jackson.
     
  9. edc

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    Assuming no way is found to get Phil Jackson here, next season is the "make or break" year for JVG.
     
  10. count_dough-ku

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    Look people, JVG isn't going anywhere. If for no other reason than Les ain't gonna eat the remaining 8+ mil on the guy's contract.

    Now, if Phillip decides to sit this year out(a wise move IMO), and the Rockets fail to advance past the first round, then we can seriously consider replacing Van Gundy with the Zenmaster.

    For now, let's just worry about surrounding T-Mac and Yao with the right supporting cast.
     
  11. pasox2

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    If JVG stays, we're screwed. Now the refs hate him. The team is totally screwed. No game plan will fix it, the players will get loser tags, everything is against us.


    Hopefully, he get's fired, and we get PJ.

    All is forgiven, and the league writes the turnaround story. We get trophies.
     
  12. steddinotayto

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    Jackson supporters answer this for me:


    What can Phil Jackson do FOR this Rockets team that JVG can't?

    Could he have helped our role players score more than 16 points in Game 7?

    Could he have helped defend Terry? Finley? Howard?

    Could he have helped Juwan Howard come back faster?

    Forget Phil Jackson. I think he's a good coach but not for this team. Why? Because he doesn't develop players. He can teach them a thing or two about philosophy and what not, but can he help Yao get to the next level? Can he keep Tracy on that path of becoming the best all-around player that we saw in the playoffs? MJ, Pippen, Shaq, Kobe...none of them were tutored or cultivated by Jackson. As much as I want our players to be in the same breath as those players, Yao and Tracy still has room for improvement.
     
  13. YallMean

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    It's not that Phil is not a great coach. It's not a question who's better. As a classy organization, Rockets simply cannot replace JVG with Phil if JVG doesnt want to leave. The head coach job is JVG's as long as he wants it.
     
  14. Rivaldo2181

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    Not really. Dude took the CLippers, yes the clippers to the playoffs. He turned Indiana into a contender and took them to the finals. He took the sixers, with A.I. and a bunch of scrubs to the finals. He has coached many teams in his career and has built them up from the bottom up. The only team he has taken over that can compare talent wise to any of PJ's teams would be the Pistons but even they don't have anyone on MJ or Kobe or Shaq's level. Larry Brown is a real coach who teaches and molds a team into a championship contender.
     
  15. GRENDEL

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    One quick note, the refs will not be out to "get" JVG last year.

    On ESPN various times, they have mention that the spokesmen who made the statement for the refs. assc. had done so without polling the constituents.

    That rep. later retracted his orginal statement saying that the refs. assc. thinks the fine is sufficient.

    So please everybody drop the ref issue.
     
  16. Master Baiter

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    Your right because if the refs were really pissed, they would have gone on national television and told the world how they are really going to stick it to JVG and the Rox. :rolleyes:
     
  17. GRENDEL

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    You just really missed the point.

    Anyway, here is an article about what I was talking about.



    Refs want league to protect them better
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    NEW YORK (AP) - Whether Jeff Van Gundy is retained as Houston's coach is up to the Rockets, but the league needs to do a better job of defending its game officials from criticism by coaches, the spokesman for the National Basketball Referees Association said Tuesday.

    Lamell McMorris, the lead negotiator for the NBRA, said the NBA's response to Houston coach Jeff Van Gundy's comments about league officials targeting Rockets center Yao Ming was unacceptable. However, McMorris did not call for Van Gundy's job, as he did in a statement Monday night.
    Also...

    NBA says case is closed


    "Van Gundy is really not the issue here, per se," McMorris said Tuesday in a phone interview with The Associated Press. "Van Gundy and whether or not he'll be retained is up to the Houston Rockets.

    "The real issue is the culture that I feel has been created where referees are the easy scapegoat. Where it is easy to allege, easy to accuse and easy to attack the referees. Even easy and acceptable to question the integrity of the referees publicly."

    The league fined Van Gundy $100,000 - the largest assessed against a coach - after the coach said that an official who was not working the playoffs told him that Yao was being targeted following complaints by Mark Cuban, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, Houston's first-round opponent.

    On Monday, Van Gundy clarified his comments, saying he when he referred to an NBA official, he was not talking about a game official and was intentionally vague when people inferred he meant a referee.


    The NBA said it was satisfied with Van Gundy's explanation and he would not be disciplined further. McMorris then put out a statement saying, "The matter will truly be closed only when Van Gundy is fired."

    On Tuesday McMorris, shifted his focus from Van Gundy to the league.

    "One thing we should observe or note is that at no time during the last week did the NBA or Van Gundy come to the defense of the refs," McMorris said.

    Commissioner David Stern had said the league would investigate Van Gundy's remarks and he threatened more punishment - perhaps even banishment - if Van Gundy did not cooperate.

    Rockets GM Carroll Dawson declined to comment on McMorris' remarks.

    "That's behind us. This has gone on too long. We're moving on," Dawson told the AP Tuesday.

    McMorris said that even though the NBA punished Van Gundy, it did not do enough to defend its refs.

    "By his implication that a member of the staff was the source, people implied that it was a fact," McMorris said. "No one publicly challenged that implication. That's not a defense of the referees. That falls quite short."

    McMorris also said that Stern's calls for an investigation amounted to a "witch hunt."

    "Had they identified whomever this referee was, supposedly, the punishment would have been much stiffer (than Van Gundy's)," McMorris said. "There would have been serious repercussions."

    McMorris said the NBRA had no plans to meet with the NBA, Van Gundy or the Rockets to discuss their concerns.

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    #77 GRENDEL, May 12, 2005
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  18. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    i can see it now....
    [​IMG]

    it might work, i still like Gundy more.... you never heard that....
     
  19. SwoLy-D

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    WACKO JACKO!!! ROTFLMAO :D 3-pointer AND ONE.

    :) Freakin' edc... Dude, get off the Phil Jackson bandwagon, my man! He will only make TMac and Yao get into a feud... :D
    I'd like to see Phil win a championship with, oh, I don't know... Atlanta... EVEN THE CLIPPERS? Good point, Rivaldo2181. Opportunistic coach.
     
  20. edc

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    "As a classy organization, Rockets simply cannot replace [coach1] with [coach2] if [coach1] doesn't want to leave. The head coach job is [coach1's] as long as he wants it."

    I will even give you "...and [coach1] has more than one year remaining on his contract."

    Guess what. The Rockets have done EXACTLY that.
     

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