Dad beats 2 year old girl, leaves her to die in cold.

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I read a book by a Vietnam vet who asked himself the same thing. He killed hundreds of people of all ages. He decided to commit himself to the practice of non violence and peace, and to help Vietnamese refugees after asking for their forgiveness.

It is possible.






I am also reminded of the scene in the movie Gandhi where the fasting Gandhi is confronted by a man who killed a child:


The Goondas stand. They glance at Suhrawardy; he smiles
tautly and they start to leave, but one (Nahari) lingers.
Suddenly he moves violently toward Gandhi, taking a flat piece of
Indian bread (chapati) from his trousers and tossing it
forcefully on Gandhi.

NAHARI:
Eat.

Mirabehn and Azad start to move toward him - the man looks
immensely strong and immensely unstable. But Gandhi holds up a
shaking hand, stopping them. Nahari's face is knotted in emotion,
half anger, half almost a child's fear - but there is a wild
menace in that instability.

NAHARI:
Eat! I am going to hell - but not with your death on my soul.

GANDHI:
Only God decides who goes to hell . . .

NAHARI
(stiffening, aggressive): I - I killed a child . . . (Then an
anguished defiance) I smashed his head against a wall.

Gandhi stares at him, breathless.

GANDHI
(in a fearful whisper): Why? Why?

It is as though the man has told him of some terrible self-
inflicted wound.

NAHARI
(tears now - and wrath): They killed my son - my boy!

Almost reflexively he holds his hand out to indicate the
height of his son. He glares at Suhrawardy and then back at
Gandhi.

NAHARI:
The Muslims killed my son . . . they killed him.

He is sobbing, but in his anger it seems almost as though he
means to kill Gandhi in retaliation. A long moment, as Gandhi
meets his pain and wrath. Then

GANDHI:
I know a way out of hell.

Nahari sneers, but there is just a flicker of desperate
curiosity.

GANDHI:
Find a child - a child whose mother and father have been killed.
A little boy - about this high.

He raises his hand to the height Nahari has indicated as his
son's.

GANDHI:
. . . and raise him - as your own.

Nahari has listened. His face almost cracks - it is a chink
of light, but it does not illumine his darkness.

GANDHI:
Only be sure . . . that he is a Muslim. And that you raise him
as one.

And now the light falls on Nahari. His face stiffens, he
swallows, fighting any show of emotion; then he turns to go. But
he takes only a step and he turns back, going to his knees, the
sobs breaking again and again from his heaving body as he holds
his head to Gandhi's feet in the traditional greeting of Hindu
son to Hindu father. A second, and Gandhi reaches out and touches
the top of his head.

Mirabehn watches. The Goondas watch. Suhrawardy watches.
Finally

GANDHI
(gently, exhaustedly): Go - go. God bless you . . .

 

I don't think Meowgi or anyone is excusing or condoning this act. Its horrible, its reprehensible, its evil.
What I see in your post is that you feel this act is so hideous and has offended you so morally that you can't forgive and you demand he has to be punished.

This is where I think we have to be careful about line between justice and vengeance. No one disagrees that he shouldn't be locked up and never be able to harm another child but its a matter of then do we want to see something done to him more because of our sense of moral outrage? Do we want to see him suffer because we are morally offended?

For me that's not justice that's vengeance. That's demanding blood because we feel we need moral and psychological healing.

I agree with you its a messed up system. We're humans and we'll never have a perfect justice system. I would rather though believe in our best instincts of compassion and forgiveness than our worst of vengeance and wrath.

 

I read about this yesterday. It is so SICK and so unbelievably WRONG! How can anyone do something so heinous to ANYONE, let alone their own child? It makes me so mad...

May the dear child Rest In Peace.

BattiersBaby.

 

Man... don't quote me a freakin' movie, man. That's a freakin' movie. Thank you, Hollywood, for portraying Ghandi so well...

Now, back to the topic at hand...

You're on track, Sishir, you're right on track. I don't want "vengeance", per se, I want this freaker to... g*d##*&Y$#* darn it... I get so effin' mad... I am thinking about what the little girl felt.

I hear all you freakers talk the talk... about "we should forgive" and "we should not seek vengeance..." n'sh*t... but... f*ck, I am just thinking about that little girl... damn, I am p*ss3d... forgive ME.

I am dealing with this anger by posting to you all. I can't stop thinking about the defenseless little girl. ARRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

OK, OK. No blood. Just make his ass suffer.

 

It's quite telling that you think you can be "redeemed" for killing hundreds of people by practicing non violence and assisting refugees.

 

Yes. It is possible to be saved from the bondage of sin through your actions. Redemption is possible.

 

I don't want to sound like Ghandi or be Ghandi. I like to eat too much. But I understand how you feel. I don't have kids but I have two young cousins that live not too far from me. I remember once seeing my 1 year old cousin she was sitting in her car seat and just sat there smiling at me. For some reason it occured to me that if anyone did anything to harm her I would kill them.

I would kill them with my own hands.

There was nothing about the situation that should've made me feel that way since all we were doing was sitting in my driveway getting ready to go to lunch.

We're human. We get disgusted, we get angry and we want blood when we hear about something like this. Its our nature. That's why to me its amazing when people can rise above that and embrace compassion and forgiveness. I'm not going to pretend that its easy because if it was we wouldn't be talking about it.

 

Tell that to these people.

http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/repeat_murder.htm

 

These people might:

http://www.murdervictimsfamilies.org/

 

So after killing hundreds of people being non-violent makes it right? We're not taking about atrocities of war, we're talking about a man who killed his own two year child by beating her and then leaving her outside to freeze to death while he went back in the house to sleep. Huge difference.Do forgive me if I think that being non-violent and helping refugees is not nearly enough to redeem a man of killing his child. Honestly the only way to cure a sociopath is to kill it and killing your child and going back to sleep is grounds for being classified as a sociopath.

Besides, Gandhi and MLK both preached non-violence and they both got assininated so it might have helped them to hit back.

 

they had far more influence because they didn't. people fight and fight and fight and are rarely able to achieve the kind of social change that MLK and Gandhi helped usher in.