Dad beats 2 year old girl, leaves her to die in cold.

It's an unconditioned mind which can be a product of and part of an environment. They are interconnected.

 

We are all the result of countless conditions. When some of those conditions are no longer present. We will no longer manifest.

I am pretty sure he did this becuase he could not see the elements of beauty, goodness and truth in this little girl, just as we are having a hard time seeing it in him now.

 

Mr. Meowgi was against forgiveness (Titans & VY) before he was for it (hardened criminals including those who kill 2 year old kids).

 

No. No. No.

There is NO EXCUSE for what he did. No rationale for it. No explaining it. This is sickening.

The guy killed his own 2-year-old child.

He didn't do it because he "couldn't see the beauty" in the girl. He did it because he has no compassion, no heart, no feelings, and doesn't care about anyone but himself. He's selfish and dangerous.

Forgiveness is all well and good and being a Catholic I should be all for this whole "let's forgive him and let him apologize for what he did" thing. I'm not. This guy's life is not more important than the child.

 

Definitely.

 

Same thing.

 

Poor little girl.....I cuddled with my little one for an hour after reading this, just thanking God for her being a gift to me.....

 

You're a GIRL??!???!???

jk.

halfbreed, you speak MY language, brother. I don't know, man, but that movie "minority report" is starting to look good... stop these dudes BEFORE they do sh*t like this.

MRMEOWGI, I don't think anyone has asked... but, how do YOU think that man should be punished?

 

But not everyone who goes through a similar environment will react the same.

We are also talking about a 'conditioned' mind now. Do you believe that conditioning can be reversed? What should be in store for this man now?

 

First off I'm sorry to hear about your personal tragedy and I apologize in advance if my comments seem like I'm making light of it. I agree that almost no one can prepare to for the violent death of a loved one.

What I read in your post gets back to the point that Cesar_Geronimo raised differentiating between justice and vengeance. It is certainly just that we have a safe society and need not live in fear and I would agree that there is a lot of problems with our justice system. The problem that I see differentiating between justice is vengeance is that while yes executing a criminal might give the friends and families of the victims some peace of mind but it doesn't bring back the victims. Support for the death penalty in order to give the victims peace of mind amounts to executing someone as pyschological therapy.

I don't want to downplay the importance of healing someone's psyche and certainly the friends families and survivors deserve peace of mind but one has to consider the costs. I believe what Meowgi is getting at is that by embracing death as the price of healing you aren't really healing but just propagating a cycle of violence.

For me personally the biggest reason why I'm against the death penalty is that our justice system is very imperfect and there is always the risk that someone who's innocent will be executed. I'm also concerned though that death penalty is primarily about vengeance and even more so about a societal desire to vicariously share in that vengeance.

That doesn't mean we should let people go. I strongly support the option of life without parole, which many studies show is actually cheaper than execution, but I think we as a society need to very carefully examine why we feel we need to execute people.

 

The point of the movie and more specifically the book, was the danger of trying to stop crime by predicting the future.

 

Thanks for sharing. Forgiveness is a powerful message in Christianity. If a convict finds genuine forgiveness with his God, then is he innocent? It's one of those issues that test ideals.

I remember reading Rudy T's experiences of how long it took for him to forgive Kermit Washington for that punch. He said his anger for Kermit became a double edged sword, and the more he couldn't forgive Kermit, the tighter he clutched it. It took a lot of strength and soul searching to forgive the guy who almost killed him.

None of this can justify what that man did to the poor girl. It's just some thoughts to wrap around who we are and who we want to be.

 

I agree in principal to most of what Meowgi said but I was curious to the answer this question also.

It's easier to forgive if you know there is a system in place to hand out justice and you don't have to worry about that.

 

Wait wait wait... what study is this? How is it cheaper to do life without parole? Even given the extra court time it might take to hand out a death penalty sentence, how can that be?

 

i think it's because attorneys are very, very expensive. and there is appeal after appeal after appeal.

 

No, it doesn't make him innocent in the eyes of the law on this earth.

Among the primary reasons we have a criminal justice system is to eliminate vigilante justice. To provide a sense of order to it. We seek to remove the element of vengeance.

My problem with the death penalty isn't locked up in forgiveness. My problem with the death penalty is I've seen firsthand how often juries DON'T get it right. I'm not comfortable with giving 12 Wal-Mart shoppers the opportunity to kill someone who may or may not be guilty.

My thoughts on forgiveness are posted in response to some of the blood-thirsty posts here. The inability to forgive leads to all sorts of dark places. People who hold on to hate find their lives to be miserable...and then they create misery for others. I'm certainly not suggesting it's easy...but we should try.

 

Life in prison with an emphasis on rehab to enable them to awaken to their potential for goodness and spiritual growth.

The only justice to me is the transformation of negatives into positives.

 

EDIT: Mr Meowgi, I wouldn't give this P.O.S. another chance to "find goodness". What kind of crap is that...
Sorry, dudes... I am so effin' mad that little girl is lost. Sorry.

No way I or any other human being can forgive THIS piece of sh*t . No way. You're asking for too much. Like finalsbound, I used to be SO MUCH against the death penalty, but crap like this definitely should NOT be tolerated. There are only certain things that people argue, but this dude needs to be punished badly. I mean, he's obviously guilty of something so wrong, you can't even argue against him not getting the DP. C'mon, now... it was a little girl. I am not talking about "oh, it's a fair punishment" or "sometimes evidence is found out later"... you know, what most folks against it will argue... but this P.O.S. has to be punished. End of story.

What system is that, anyway? Sounds like a messed up system to me. And I am Catholic, by the way.

 

Yes that's part of it along with all of the other legal costs involved. From the state side there is the costs of providing the court time, security for courts, transportation to and from courts and etc...

Just to head off the obvious response of then maybe we should limit appeals. That would go against the protection of individual rights guarenteed by our Constitution and would also make a mockery of the idea that the death penalty is only used when guilt is absolutely proved.

 

Totally agree and very well put.