Dad beats 2 year old girl, leaves her to die in cold.

What do you suggest be done to the killer then? Maybe we should host a parade in his honor.

Dude needs to get f#$ked up and left to freeze to death himself. The only thing the killer should feel is something terrible.

 

This has nothing to do with the law. This about pain and suffering. If I can influence people not to think and react like this killer I will try to do so. Sorry.

Hi everyone. Please don't think that killing will bring you peace and happiness and will rid you of your problems and pain. It doesn't work that way. It didn't work for these two and it wont work for you. Only peace brings peace.

-Seacrest out.

 

Can you guys please not post this kind of sick **** in the hangout? It's going to turn into a debate anyway...post it in the D&D.

 

I'm not saying you should be prepared. I am saying it is possible to be more prepared. I don't expect it from people but I can can inform them that it is an option. Look how the Amish reacted last year to the school killer. How were they able to do it? They trained themselves. When something likes this happens we can the time to reflect on that. If you eat anger you become anger.

 

IROC

maybe I'm a bad person, but I would prefer he doesn't make his peace with God....
in cases like this, I really, really hope that Hell is a real place, and this sick b*stard spends eternity in the deepest, darkest pit.

alright Meowgi, you are officially off the +v list for that.

 

i like this post a lot. i agree with it.

 

I agree with Mr. Meowgi.

Is this event truly horrible? Of course. There's no debate about that.

Will killing him though bring back the child erase the pain of the loss of the child? It won't.

Killing this guy does nothing but satisfy vengeance. Last I checked vengeance never brought anyone back to life.

 

This kind of case deserves PUBLIC EXECUTION in order to educate the others as well.

 

Your kidding right???

Maybe you should reiterate that 1st sentence.... Will Killing him ease the pain instead of erase... The the answer would be a hell Fu$@%^ yeah... obviously the pain of a loved one will linger but the thought that the killer who did it is going to die will help...

 

Oh man she is black... Great!

What a horrible thing ot happen

 

How do you know? Why does it take death to rectify death?

 

Justice and Vengenace are two seperate things.

Justice can be handed out without hatred.

People can be held accountable for their crimes and the people holding them accountable can have peace -- as long as they are administering justice not vengance.

 

^ That's an excellent point but how do we distinguish between the two?

I don't want to make light of the situation and I apologize for coming off as self-righteous. I am somewhat disturbed that almost the first reaction to this from most posters was wanting see the guy who did this killed.

Maybe he deserves to die but I don't feel that I am in a position to decide that. I believe in karma but am uncomfortable with the idea of deciding it.

 

You know what, you guys are right.

We should send him to rehab so he can learn that this is wrong.

 

This was in an email I got from my second church, Ecclesia, in the weeks following the Amish tragedy. Remember, it's directed to other Christ-followers...but I think it has truth that speaks regardless of your background. If Christian stuff freaks you out, just avoid it:

Lesson in Forgiveness When the Amish community of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania sent their sons and daughters off to school on Monday, they had no idea what horrors awaited their beautiful little children. Charles Carl Roberts IV, a 32 year old milk truck driver, walked into one of their one-room school houses shortly before 11.00 am armed with enough guns, ammunition and other “supplies” for a long hostage situation. Before the morning was out, he shot and murdered six young girls and left several in critical condition and then turned the gun on himself. This was the third deadly school shooting in a week in America. What is going on? This week the nation will get a lesson in forgiveness. Before the lifeless bodies of their innocent children were cold the Amish men and women were gathering in small groups and began praying for the grace to forgive Roberts and to pray for his family. By the end of the day, they were announcing that they had forgiven him and asked the nation to turn their thoughts and prayers to Roberts’ wife and children. The Amish are an amazing people, peculiar in the best possible ways. They live in close-knit, rural communities characterized by simplicity and a radical obedience to the gospel, even the part about forgiving your enemies. What a contrast! Although we don’t know what motivated Roberts to plan this attack against these young girls, the early evidence points to two
things: (1) he was haunted by the fact that 20 years ago as a young adolescent he had molested younger family members; (2) he was angry at God because 9 years earlier his daughter died shortly after birth.
In other words, Roberts never forgave himself for molesting younger children and never forgave God for ‘taking’ his daughter. So what does he do—he plans to molest innocent school girls, kill them and then commit suicide. Does this make sense? As we have seen in Pennsylvania, the inability or the unwillingness to forgive can lead to horrible evil. More often it leads to lesser evils like broken marriages, alcoholism, depression, and physical ailments. Jesus knew the power of forgiveness and its evil nemesis unforgiveness. That’s why the good news is all about how God lavishes us with forgiveness and then calls us to extend forgiveness in his name. The Amish know the truth and the One Who Is TRUE; you can’t follow Christ unless you are willing to forgive. God won’t forgive you unless you are willing to forgive others (Matthew 6:6ff). The kind of radical forgiveness the Amish have shown the nation in the first hours after their unspeakable tragedy is, in fact, simple, normal Christian living. Why does it seem so strange? I suggest it seems so strange because we live so far from the gospel. Although we now despise what he did, we are more like Roberts than we’d like to admit. We are haunted by our past, angry at others for offending us, angry at God for failing us, holding onto grudges for years or even decades, addicted to anything that will kill the pain of our lonely, tortured souls. Many of us live in a perpetual state of unforgiveness. The Amish didn’t arrive at their amazing ability to forgive their children’s murderer on Monday. They arrived there years ago after journeying long and hard with Jesus and each other. Their community has been formed and fashioned by the simple words of the gospel: “pray for your enemies,”
“do unto others what you’d have them do to you,” “forgive as God has forgiven you.” For decades they’ve been drawing on spiritual resources we have only dreamed about. May we travel long and hard with Jesus and learn the blessed secret of forgiveness. God, be with the Amish families who lost children. Help them to show the nation the truth of the gospel.

 

An excellent point.

Why I find the desire to see this guy killed troubling isn't feeling sorry for the guy but more about what it says about ourselves as a society. I think Cesar^Geronimo's point goes along with this. Justice is necessary for a peaceful society but so is forgiveness. The problem is how do you differentiate between vengeance and justice and how do you forgive someone while still serving justice?

 

Part of me agrees with Mr. Meowgi. My aunt was brutally stabbed by her husband of 2 years in 2004. The shock was terrible. I have never experienced anything like it. My mom cried all day every day for about a month. One thing that struck me, after the initial horror, was that the death sentence would not bring back my aunt. I was so angry for months, and it took about a year for me to really accept it and forgive her murderer. Once I did though, it set me free more than anything I've ever experienced. He ended up getting 35 years without parole, which means he'll most likely die in prison. I hope he somehow realizes his life can end with forgiveness.

I can't say I'm against the death penalty in this case, though. It's so hard to forgive someone responsible for the death of a child. Nothing will bring this precious girl back, though.

I used to be completely against the death penalty, but with things I've seen lately...I just don't know anymore.