LOL comeon dude that was totally unfair. My whole rhetoric behind all that was an exaggeration to prove a point. Saying something like I hate white people couldn't be further from the truth.
The bombs are easy to make. I know how to make them - heck, I DID make something similar to that in high school ( though obviously not with all the shrapnel stuffed in, my friends and I just wanted the boom). These guys could have easily killed 50 people if they actually knew what they were doing, which they really didn't in general - in one report, they didn't actually bother to fix their getaway car until the last minute, meaning that it was in the shop on the day of the marathon, which was why they had to keep carjacking.
Yes it does seem like if they had more training then they likely would've killed more people. Then again building a very lethal bomb isn't that simple as the Shoe Bomber, Underwear bomber and Times Square Bomber can attest to. I agree though it seems like they were identified and caught pretty quickly and largely due to that they committed another crime. It seems to me if they knew what they were doing they would've gotten out of Boston quickly or gone underground somehow instead of trying to attack MIT.
That part still doesn't make sense to me. These dudes committing another crime is unbelievable illogical and stupid. Pleas don't bomb Pearl Harbor again.
Well, they did lay low until their faces were released by the FBI. At that point, they probably realized they were SOL and went nuts.
I have to agree with those questioning it though. They could have driven anywhere, or had airfare ready for a trip to Russia... anything... but they were just going to hang out and party in Boston thinking they'd never be caught?
Since I only commented on the media I was watching I don't think that's me trying to be omniscient. The media reports stuff for lots of reasons. The ratings is only one, the idea that they don't want to be left out of reporting a "fact" will cause them to jump on board with a story without confirming their sources. The recognition of being first to report on something also causes them to report things without properly confirming sources and facts. Anyone in the media who was trying to tie it to any group was irresponsible. There was supposedly a dark skinned suspect much of the media reported on early on too. Bottom line is that early reporting is often faulty. The media that didn't try and tie it to a group until the facts came in were the media that looked better in this case. Sorry if calling out the tea party guy for playing the victim card bothered you.
True - but criminals aren't always the smartest or most rational people in the world. The ricin letter guy signed his letter with his own initials and used the same verbiage used in previous letters. Given that they had loads of bombs and other weaponry already prepared during their Friday shootout/chase, they may have been thinking it would take longer to get caught, and planning to do more damage at an event in the coming days. One event strikes fear, but it seems like a one-time thing. Blow things up every few days and you can completely paralyze a community.
No, but I've already given you a partial list of the Muslim groups that came out against the bombing in Boston. It's strange that you'd think Muslims who object to the bombings would have to say anything about the brothers motives. Why would Muslim groups who oppose the bombings and obviously see Islam very differently than the two terrorists have to speak about the brothers motives? When two groups see things from opposite perspectives it seems odd that one group would be asked to provide insight to the motives of the other group. Hopefully the authorities get lots of information from the brother that is in custody.
It would be interesting to get some insight from Muslim groups about what brand of Islam these guys followed vs. that of the Muslim group. How opposite are the perspectives, really? Do some members of the groups agree on part of the goals (e.g., instituting Sharia), but not on the means (bombs), at least not publicly? There is a clear link between Chechen Islamists and Al Qaeda. Where does Al Qaeda have its ideological roots? In the Muslim Brotherhood. Who is in charge now in Egypt? Yes, the Muslim Brotherhood. Who keeps telling us that that is A-OK? Yes, FranchiseBlade. Who is trying to downplay the role of Islam in the Boston Marathon bombings? Yes, FranchiseBlade. The birth of Chechen Muslim radicals Chechnya, and its eastern neighbor, Dagestan, where brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev once lived, are Russian republics in the rugged Caucasus Mountains. The Chechens, like the ethnic groups of Dagestan, are Muslim. Both have a long, turbulent and proud history of fighting Russian domination -- every young Chechen knows this history. Their ancestors fought against the Orthodox Christianity of the Russian Czars, then the Communists of the Soviet Union, and now young Islamists lead the fight against the hard fist of Vladimir Putin's modern Russia. The Chechens, like the many Dagestani ethnic groups, want their own country with its own constitution. But the radical Muslims among them, influenced since the 1990s by al Qaeda and the Taliban, want to create pure Muslim lands governed by Sharia, or Islamic law. Their ties to al Qaeda began in 1992, when al Qaeda and its brother organization, the Haqqani Network, created the Furqan (a chapter in the Koran meaning "the criterion") Project, a training program for jihadists from the former Soviet Central Asian republics and the Caucasus Mountains. In 1994, Shamil Basayev, a young Chechen jihadist rebel leader, traveled to Peshawar, the Pakistani city along the Afghan border where al Qaeda was headquartered, bringing with him a group of young Chechen militants who called themselves the mujahideen (holy warriors). They met a man named Hamed Mustafa, a former Egyptian journalist, who was one of the first Arabs to come to Pakistan to join the Afghan mujahideen in their jihad against the Soviet Union. Mustafa took the nom de guerre Abu Walid al-Masri, and joined al Qaeda. He was in charge of the Furqan operation and worked with the Afghan Musjahideen at place called Zhawara, where al-Qaeda was establishing itself. After meeting with al-Masri, Basayev sent six of his Chechen mujahideen to train with him. Al-Masri later wrote in a book that the Chechens were in better shape physically, and had better military skills, than anyone else al Qaeda had trained before. He called them "giants" and said that training them was the highpoint of his training career because of their enthusiasm and high morale. The six men returned to Chechnya where five were killed in battle in the 1994 - 1996 war that former Russian president Boris Yeltsin fought against mainly secular Chechen separatists. Basayev, in 2002, would take responsibility for the Moscow theater attack where 50 Chechen jihadists and over 100 hostages died. In 2004 he led the attack on Beslan, a school in the North Caucuses where more than 385 people, mostly children, were killed. Basayev died in a mysterious explosion in 2006. Since the September 11 attacks, and the Arab revolutions, a new generation of Chechen Muslim radicals, who want to create a Taliban-style government across the Caucasus Mountains to be governed by Sharia, has risen to fight. They are in their 20s and 30s and use the Internet. They reportedly have a website, where Chechen jihadists, from around the world, now fighting in Syria, Pakistan and Turkey, post their reports. Their new leader, Doku Umarov, called by some Russia's Osama bin Laden, has said, "Today in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Palestine our brothers are fighting. Everyone who attacks Muslims wherever they are our enemies, common enemies. Our enemy is not Russia only, but everyone who wages war against Islam and Muslims." Three weeks ago he called to Chechens living in other countries to come home to Chechnya to take part in the fight. In 2010 two female suicide bombers from Dagestan blew up the Moscow subway, killing over 40 people and injuring 100. In 2011, a suicide bomber attacked Moscow's Domodedovo airport, killing 37 and wounding 180. Umarov took responsibility. Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev did not go home, but chose to stay in the U.S. to attack the venerable Boston marathon, an American institution. Today, al Qaeda and other groups based in the tribal areas of Pakistan still inspire, shelter and train militants from Central Asia and the Caucus region. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57580535/the-birth-of-chechen-muslim-radicals/
Sorry to change gears slightly, but: In what ways will handling this alleged perp differ from the perp in Aurora, CO? The Batman movie shooter got a trial, yes? I guess if they're convinced the Boston kid had ties to a large umbrella organization, that could classify him differently. But naively, they are both horrible public acts of terror and deserve the same treatment.
First, Tsarnev will be tried, make no mistake. There are people ( not necessarily you, but some of my FB friends are definitely doing it) who seem to think no Miranda rights = no trial. That's not true at all. Miranda is an element of the 5th Amendment, and is not a constitutional part of it. They are designed to help protect against self-incrimination, against cops browbeating suspects into confessing into a crime they didn't commit and then using that confession in court. From a personal perspective, Japan is horrifying at this sort of stuff - go read what their cops will do for interrogation techniques, and there's a reason something like 90%, if not 99%, of guys accused for crimes in Japan are eventually convicted. If you've ever played the Phoenix Wright video game series, the legal system there isn't that much worse than what the Japanese legal system is really like. Back to the main topic, however, that's what the Miranda Rights are about, though one thing that should be noted is that cops CAN browbeat a suspect into confessing - what they can't do is browbeat the suspect into confessing and use that confession in court, which for all purposes and intent removes any reason to do it. But the cops don't give a **** whether Tsarnev confesses. They've already got more than enough to put him away for life, if not death row, given that he at bare minimum has tons of bombs and bomb-making equipment in his house, was seen planting the bomb, and shot a cop as eyewitnesses can attest. But that are worried, unlike the Batman dude, that he possibly had other accomplices, and they will want to interrogate him on that. Once that's done, then they'll do some other stuff, have a trial where everyone knows he's guilty, and that's that.
I see the week after is where all the dumb stuff starts coming. Politicians trying to use this to stop or spur immigration reform. Politicians wanting to try the bomber as an enemy combatant even though he's a US citizen arrested on US soil.
