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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. gifford1967

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    So are you extrapolating the experience of your few friends to the total population of conspiracy theorists who refused COVID vaccination? Obviously, the moron you're tweet quoting isn't referencing ATW's conspiracy theorist friends.
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    No, I am just answering a question I was asked.

    The main "conspiracy theorist" I know is not a friend, just a business acquaintance, I mostly disagree with him. He is a German doctor (actually an immunologist) who may be right on some things, but the whole Covid thing seems to have radicalized him.

    He seems to have become somewhat paranoid. Partly understandable, since his apartment was raided by a SWAT team at 5 am in the morning, he was thrown to the floor naked, his computer and mobile phones were taken away and haven't been returned in months, all because he was critical of the German Covid response.

    I disagree with most of what he says, but some pretty crazy stuff has been happening to him. What has been happening to him goes way beyond what has happened to some of the guys in the US who "only" got de-platformed on social media.
     
  3. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    This self proclaimed I’m the smartest person in the room sounds like a dumb little biitch. Time for you to go back to the drawing board to come up with a new schtick DeAsse!
     
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    I largely agree with Prof. Balloux.
     
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    Yeah, we KNOW. :rolleyes:
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    Until people with a long history of consumer protections and having long history of being against capitalized systems that allow profit motives for pharma companies off life saving medication(actual leftists) start believing these claims and their actual investigative journalists coronavirus claims like this I'm not going to trust the words of self labeled
    "Classical liberals".


    Sincere consumer protection rhetoric that has long standing history of criticizing profit motives doesn't come from "classical liberals".
     
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    The plandemic went according to plan, it was the Hegelian Dialectic (problem - reaction - solution) which is a perpetual cycle on repeat
     
  10. Amiga

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    I would argue that the lower death rate is mainly due to much lower obesity rates, compared to the other countries. I don't see transmission being lower. Other than age, obesity and related pre-existing conditions seem to be the most defining factor for whether Covid leads to death.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9205425/
     
  15. durvasa

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    Lower obesity rates likely helps. But Japan is also a much older population, and the severe effects of COVID is heavily skewed towards the elderly. That is the most important factor, isn't it?

    The weight of the evidence I've seen indicates that stronger masking practices will lower transmission rates. We know that higher vaccination rates will lower hospitalization/death. If masking/vaccination rates in Japan were like in the US, I think excess death rates would have been much, much higher given the older and denser population.
     
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    Japan's population is roughly a third of that of the US, and cases are roughly a third as well.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    [​IMG]

    So your assumption about stronger masking practices lowering transmission rates is not meaningfully supported by data. Deaths, on the other hand, are much, much lower.

    Japan has much less obesity, and a better healthcare system overall. If you were to dissect the data further, you would see that disadvantaged populations in the US have been impacted a lot more, both in terms of Covid deaths and in terms of terrible effects of Covid measures such as lockdowns.

    As to cases, I think the US and Germany tested a lot more than most other countries.

    More tests = more confirmed cases. Another simple thing Trump was actually right about.
     
  17. durvasa

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    It’s not an assumption and your example isn’t “meaningful” evidence to the contrary, given other factors at play (testing rates, population distribution/density). This one data point isn’t how you assess efficacy of masking,
     
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    Why not?
    • Death rates per case are 20 x lower in Japan.
    • You assumed masking was a primary reason for that.
    • Masking serves to reduce transmission.
    • Transmission is almost the same, as evidenced by the number of cases per size of the population.
    It really is simple logic - masking cannot be the reason for the 20 x lower death rates, because their cases per size of population are very similar.
     
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    I specifically respond to this claim of yours before and even mentioned Japan. You got it wrong then and are now repeating the same incorrect claim.

    65+ has a 5-8x risk of death compared to Obesity and all other comorbidities.

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    Source: Kompaniyets L, Pennington AF, Goodman AB, Rosenblum HG, Belay B, Ko JY, et al. Underlying Medical Conditions and Severe Illness Among 540,667 Adults Hospitalized With COVID-19, March 2020–March 2021. To learn more, visit the Preventing Chronic Disease article: https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
     
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  20. B-Bob

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    Interesting, and thank you -- had not seen this plot. I had thought obesity was much more of a amplifier, and I didn't know those age factors (at least as of early 2021... I wonder if they or anyone else has an update with all the additional data we should have now?)
     

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