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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Amiga

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    dang, the decline in US life expectancy is huge (primarily covid but also others)

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  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Do they have an actual source for their statement that the pandemic has driven most of the decline in life expectancy? I couldn't immediately find the data for average age of death caused by Covid in the US, but the official UK figures are here and the median and mean age of death caused by Covid is 83/81. Why would this be significantly different in the US?

    Edit: I found this older article in the Economist: https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...ths-are-analysed-by-age-america-is-an-outlier

    This makes me think that obesity plays a role.
     
  3. DatRocketFan

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    Our country has a lot of fatter folks. Pretty sure our life expectancy were always lower than the UK even b4 covid. Hypertension, diabetes and the other comorbidities coupled with covid nonbelievers equal folks dying at a younger age.
     
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  4. Amiga

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    Yea. Also this: "While other high-income countries were also hard hit in 2020, the first year of the pandemic, most had begun to recover by last year, he said. “None of them experienced a continuing fall in life expectancy like the U.S. did, and a good number of them saw life expectancy start inching back to normal,” Dr. Woolf said.

    It's a US (among high income countries) problem.

    Vital Statistics Rapid Release, Number 023 (August 2022) (cdc.gov)

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  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Makes sense to me, since other than age, obesity is one of the biggest risk factors for severe progression/death.

    That's also why you will be eligible to take Paxlovid if your BMI is above a certain threshold, even if you are younger. That means the percentage of people eligible to take Paxlovid is quite a bit higher in the US, compared to other countries.
     
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    The UK's life expectancy dropped 1.2 years between 2019 and 2020, virtually all western countries save a few took major hits in life expectancy for 2020

    A lot of countries have had bouncebacks in 2021 but some are still declining, specifically eastern Europe + Greece among OCED countries
    https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/life-expectancy-at-birth.htm

    I'm sure obesity plays a role, when an overweight person gets covid they are more likely to die from it.
     
  7. tinman

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    Lots of fat people here breh
    They usually are from the same background
     
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  9. Amiga

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    More very bad news. Full report due later this year.

    National test scores during COVID fall to lowest levels in decades (axios.com)

    Reading scores for elementary school students plunged to their lowest levels since 1990 during the first two years of the pandemic — and math scores dropped for the first time in the history of a nationally representative test dating back to the 1970s.

    Driving the news: The findings by the National Assessment of Educational Progress showed a 7 percentage point drop in math scores among 9-year-olds, mostly fourth graders, and a 5 point drop in reading scores.

    • The tests were administered from January to March in 2020 and 2022.
    • The decline in learning outcomes were starkest among lower-performing students.
    • Top-performing students — those in the 90th percentile — showed a 3 percentage point drop in math scores, compared with lower-performing students — those in the 10th percentile — experiencing a 12 point decline.
    • Math scores for Black students fell 13 points, compared to a 5 point decrease among white students.
    Between the lines: Of the 70% of test takers who said they learned remotely last school year, higher performers had greater access to resources more often, including a desktop computer or a quiet place to work, compared to lower performers, per the results.

    The big picture: The test results are considered a reliable snapshot of student learning outcomes because the assessments are standardized nationwide and because the test has remained consistent, the New York Times notes.
     
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    This is not the result of Covid. This is the result of failed Covid policies, predominantly by leftist leaders and very much backed by leftist teacher unions - lockdowns, school closures, mask mandates, overly strict re-admission testing requirements and quarantine rules, etc.

    Children were never meaningfully at risk.

    The Great Barrington people were right, from the beginning. And so is DeSantis.
     
  11. Amiga

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    There will be an updated report later this year, but you should dig into the findings before making these general assessments. One example below that doesn't gel with your general assessments. The West (CA is a big part of the West) did the best. The South (mostly "rightish"), Midwest (mix), and Northeast (mostly "leftish") were all about the same.

    EDIT: It's also not just about school closure, remote schools, but also resources. Resources for students during the months of remote school, in-face school, and even now today where the US is struggling very much with hiring teachers (a large number of them exited during covid and gov policies including new policies from the right pressuring teaching... we are still well behind pre-covid in the number of teachers... when I have more time, I'll post the stats on this).

    The Great Barrington were idiots. Before vaccines were available, they advocated for the virus to spread among healthy. Plenty of healthy folks died or were harmed by long-term disease. And there is simply no way to keep the virus circulating among just healthy folks and not impact the non-healthy folks. If they had their way, much more than 1M Americans would have died.


    NAEP Long-Term Trend Assessment Results: Reading and Mathematics (nationsreportcard.gov)

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    Whelp, 2 and half years later, I finally caught it.

    My daughter brought it home from Kindergarten.
     
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    Get well soon. Unless you have risk factors, it won't be bad. If you do, get Paxlovid.
     
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    I'm laughing at the statistic of 19%, not at the individuals who actually have it.
     
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    An enormous, peer-reviewed, longitudinal dataset from about 1 million COVID patients in the UK showed about 17% of people who contract a case end up with "long COVID." So if the teachers are saying 19%, that's within error bars of the best available data. (shrug).

    But I like laughter -- it's good for the soul, even when misguided or misanthropic. ;)
     
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    Your 99er bro never got it
    Yeah I took some shots but I just think that my love for the Hakeem era is my protection
     
  19. Amiga

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    Remember that there is no formal definition for long covid. It could be anything from minor lasting symptoms to deliberating symptoms. If minor, count us as being in that group. Our last bout of covid was about 2 months ago (very minor cold / flu like symptoms) and my wife hasn’t fully recovered.
     

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