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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/23/my-kids-wont-wear-masks-school/

    Opinion

    I’m a doctor. Here’s why my kids won’t wear masks this school year.

    For the first year of the coronavirus pandemic, my family and I were extremely cautious. I gave birth in April 2020, shortly after covid-19 hit. To protect the baby, my husband and I pulled our then-2-year-old son out of preschool. We socialized outdoors only, at a safe distance from others. I limited indoor activities to work and grocery shopping, and I was never without my N95.



    After coronavirus vaccines became available to adults, I wrote that vaccinated people could relax their precautions based on their level of risk tolerance. My tolerance remained low because of my unvaccinated kids. I still avoided indoor restaurants and masked at indoor gatherings unless they required both proof of vaccination and recent negative tests. Our son restarted preschool, but we made sure that he always masked. Playdates were strictly outdoors only.

    Everything changed last winter, with the arrival of omicron. This variant is so contagious — with its derivative strains such as BA.5 even more so — that preventing covid-19 became nearly impossible. Before omicron, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that one-third of Americans had been infected with the coronavirus. By the end of February, after the first omicron surge, that share climbed to nearly 60 percent, including 3 out of 4 children.



    It became clear that the goal I’d hoped for — containment of covid-19 — was not reachable. This coronavirus is here to stay.

    Guest Opinion: The world might be done with covid, but I'm still keeping my distance

    With this new, indefinite time frame, the benefit-risk calculus of mitigation measures shifted dramatically. I was willing to limit my children’s activities for a year or two but not for their entire childhood.

    Given how careful we’d been, it wasn’t easy to change my mind-set to accept covid-19 as a recurring risk. But the high transmissibility of new variants meant that we would have to pay an increasingly high price if our goal was to keep avoiding the virus. I began trying to think of the coronavirus as I do other everyday risks, such as falls, car accidents or drowning. Of course I want to shield my children from injuries, and I take precautions, such as using car seats and teaching them how to swim. By the same logic, I vaccinated them against the coronavirus. But I won’t put their childhood on hold in an effort to eliminate all risk.



    It helped, too, that omicron is milder than previous variants. The likelihood of severe outcomes, including the feared multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children, is much lower now than it was during the delta or alpha surges. The odds of developing long covid are also lower with omicron compared with previous strains. Vaccination, while less protective against symptomatic disease due to omicron, continues to provide excellent protection against severe illness.

    Over the past several months, my family has eased back on our precautions. We see other families indoors, without masks or testing, and have resumed traveling and attending events. Our son, who turns 5 this week, started indoor soccer and indoor playdates. Our pandemic baby, now 2, went to day camp this summer. Both kids are starting school next week. Now that they are fully vaccinated, we do not plan to limit their activities, and — like most parents in their school — will not be masking them in the classroom.

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    I accept the risk that my kids will probably contract covid-19 this school year, just as they could contract the flu, respiratory syncytial virus and other contagious diseases. As for most Americans, covid in our family will almost certainly be mild; and, like most Americans, we’ve made the decision that following precautions strict enough to prevent the highly contagious BA.5 will be very challenging. Masking has harmed our son’s language development, and limiting both kids’ extracurriculars and social interactions would negatively affect their childhood and hinder my and my husband’s ability to work.



    Other families will view these trade-offs differently. Some will maintain strict precautions to protect a severely immunocompromised household member. Some may decide on something in-between; for example, kids might resume their pre-pandemic activities, but the family still masks at airports and avoids large events. Others may choose to keep one-way masking at school, because, to them, the benefit of reducing infection outweighs the perceived downside of masks. All these decisions should be respected; there are no easy, one-size-fits-all answers.

    To be clear, my family’s decision not to mask our kids should not be mislabeled as being antimask; we would never stigmatize other parents and caregivers for the difficult choices they must make. We are also far from covid minimizers; I’ve written extensively about the dangers of the coronavirus to children and am clear-eyed about the unknowns of long covid. Rather, my approach to this school year reflects the evolution of the pandemic and the acknowledgment that avoiding covid-19 cannot be the singular metric of people’s overall health and well-being.


     
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    I find her piece reasonable, except, the data does not support vaccinating a 2 year old.
     
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    I’m almost exactly where she is so yes, absolutely reasonable to me. People that are trying to “cancel” her from speaking at higher educ events are intolerable.
     
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    My daughter just started 1st grade in Florida. Out of her class of 20, one or two children are still being forced to wear masks all day by their parents. I feel sorry for the children.
     
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    Trust me, a lot of children love wearing the masks. Some like it because they feel more confident with it for whatever reasons. They hate taking off the masks for music or PE.

    Other children don't like it and are happy to not wear them. Last year when it was optional for students, almost all of them chose to wear it. Now, only about half wear them.
     
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    I think were all ready to move on and be mask free, I didn't realize this was still a "thing", if parents want there kids to wear one so be it, if someone in the store ants to wear it, so be it, its your choice. I am more mindful when in public, I try not to touch door knobs and things and I keep a distance when possible but for me I dont even think about a mask anymore
     
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    No, I don't trust you on that one. Children can unfortunately easily be manipulated and made to believe that that's what they should do. That doesn't mean it's good for them or that they really "love it".
     
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    Okay don't trust me on it. I don't really care. But it doesn't matter. I'm around them all day every day, and witness it. I haven't attributed it to any cause. Children have told me, it makes them more comfortable, they are used to it, they like being more anonymous, etc. Bottom line is that many of them do love it.
     
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    I don't doubt that what you say is what you perceive (so I do trust that you are telling the truth about your observation). I just draw a different conclusion from it.

    Children saying they like something they have been told to do is not surprising. Similarly, many women who have been forced to veil will say "they love it", "it makes them feel more comfortable" or whatever.

    Once you have been forced to accept something as "normal", that is what happens. Still doesn't mean it's good (or normal).
     
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    I thought we were past this.

    If someone wants to wear a mask to school or work, that is their decision.

    I can understand doctor offices or some areas requiring them..... but we have basically moved past all of this.
     
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    We want gotchas and I Told You Sos in the aftermath of an unprecedented pandemic.

    Just means that in the next pandemic, we'll choose cash bags at the expense of more body bags.
     
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    I agree, it should just be a free choice. Only thing from my perspective (as stated above), when it's about children, it's questionable whether it's really a free choice, but it is what it is.
     
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    Those children could also interact with family members who may be compromised due to their health.
     
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    Yes, I understand that that may be the motivation behind it, but I don't believe the perceived minimal risk reduction outweighs the negatives when it comes to the child's development. The whole "you are killing your relatives" narrative is actually horrible, harmful and untrue.
     
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    I’ve been no masking for awhile now . But if you are a 99er who’s one cheeseburger away from ambulance and you can’t walk up the stairs, maybe you wear one…. As well jog, bike, eat a salad, lay off cable news
     
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    Chuck him across the Potomac!

     
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    @King1 told everyone that Jeremy Lin sucked
    And he was right
    He can say it to the end of time
     
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