Seriously? I'm a pretty big consumer of news and I'm not seeing any official statements that we should take boosters because the first shot has life threatening side effects. To reiterate again. So far it appears that the rates of even correlated (not even determined causality) is that deaths from the vaccine are in the 1 to million numbers.
I’m sure the lives saved by the vaccines far surpasses the lives potentially taken by the vaccines. During a pandemic you try to save as many lives as possible.
And yet, getting Covid is more likely to cause blood clots than J&J vaccine, right? https://www.novanthealth.org/healthy-headlines/vaccines-and-blood-clots
I agree with this. What I don't agree with is the censoring of people being critical and I also don't agree with vax mandates.
If that's the case, why promote things like getting donuts for vaccine shots and censor information on how to build a healthy immune system naturally? Why tell people who already got covid, so had natural immunity, to go out and get vaccinated to reset that immunity, then call natural immunity a conspiracy? Why enforce mandates where people had to choose between their job or their beliefs? But "you are sure" the lives saved by the vaccines far surpasses the lives potentially taken by the vaccines but how can you be so sure? What data is there to prove that? Before the vaccines even came out, covid had a 99.7% survival rate for those under 60. Only those with weakened immune systems due to severe underlying conditions or those of old age were at risk. If the vaccines have saved lives, how come there are more deaths now after the vaccines came out than before? And not just death with covid as an underlying reason but health-related deaths in general (such as heart attacks and strokes)? If this was truly about saving lives IMO, they wouldn't promote just one way you can help protect yourself.
International studies are way better. For example this study from the UK says natural immunity lasts for a year+, whereas the pfizer vaccine lasts six months: https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2118691?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub 0pubmedred to neutralize the virus This makes sense considering the constant push to get people to take boosters due to the fact the vaccines efficacy wanes within 2-4 months of taking it. Edit: Study was linked in this Time article https://time.com/6171943/how-long-does-covid-immunity-last/ And interesting thing to note about the natural immunity study is that in 2021 it was much harder to find studies proving natural immunity to be stronger, even though this was consensus pre-covid. Once vax numbers reached high enough levels (so early 2022), all these studies and articles showing natural immunity to be stronger came out.
Which is why there are boosters with the vaccines that keep that improved immunity going. In addition, studies also show that even with natural immunity, it is beneficial to still get vaccinated. It's linked in the post I made, if you'd like to investigate it.
Some people would rather keep boosting for eternity, but others would rather let their body's natural immunity do the work. Saying you can just take boosters forever is not a good argument against natural immunity. There's newer info that what's in the post you made, and besides if there are already numerous studies showing natural immunity to have longer effects, why go and take a vaccine to reset all that and now have to keep getting it? at the end of the day, I don't care if someone wants the vax or not, but the forcefulness of it all in addition to the censorship of info that went against the narrative is was what turned me off completely.
It would have really great if Fauci on the first day of the pandemic made a public statement listing all of the ins and outs of covid so that on day one everyone could act according.
It actually is a good alternative. We've done it with the flu. Get it every year. In addition natural immunity and vaccination together are the best option. I agree that no scientifically valid data should be censored.
The majority of people don't get the flu shot and I never knew anyone who went and got the flu shot after getting the flu. That doesn't make sense especially when the flu shot strain changes every year. Why would you get a vaccine for a strain of the flu your body already built natural immunity to? Look at this article from nature.com which says natural immunity for the flu is stronger than getting the vaccine for it: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-019-0143-6 Unfortunately that's not what has happened. Valid data, along with doctors and scientists with a long list of credentials and seats on medical boards were censored hard. This happened worldwide, but I really think America was hit the hardest. That's why you could go to the health department websites for the UK or Israel to view studies that the CDC would either not publish or put a spin on.
What does it say about durability in absolute terms? If immunity only lasts a year, natural immunity will not last into the next flu season and vaccines are still a reasonable option.
I am going to call ... a hard bullsh*t on this. What people want is 100% certainty but what they are getting is best guesses from experts. I also strongly suspect that those "neglected" studies would not have made a material difference if the FDA had adopted them. It does not help that there were studies showing the horse dewormer was effective. You know would have made a material difference to the 400K Americans who died of covid since the vaccines were available? Vaccines. Go figure.
I understand plenty of people don't get the flu shot. Too bad. But of those that I know that get the flu shot including myself have had the flu before.
It lasts at least a year, but most likely longer. The more they study the longer natural immunity lasts. And like the study says, there is broader protection with natural immunity meaning you can be protected from more strains of the flu by having your body fight it off vs the targeted strains the vaccine administers. The FDA is an American agency, just like the CDC. There have been a few studies released by international agencies that the CDC/FDA did not report on. That's a fact. This on top of medical professionals and scientists who pre-2020 were considered legit all of a sudden became "quacks" for going against the narrative. I remember I posted a study here from Lund University, which is a top 100 university in the world and founded in the 1600s, but people here got upset and called it conspiracy. It's crazy to see what names gets thrown at legit institutions nowadays just because American media didnt cosign them. Now you have Biden starting a Ministry of Truth, but I digress...
