In hindsight, lockdowns were never right. The world just followed the AWFUL Chinese example. Lockdowns weren't really part of the playbook before.
Well we saw the wave of deaths in Europe and also the ridiculously high death rates in NYC during those first four months and assumed the worst. As awful as it was for us, I can't imagine it's the same degree of awful for workers at those hospitals. We can make a lot more claims with more hindsight, but there's still a lot of unanswered questions for the next inevitable pandemic.
There is nothing new about covid? ... which is a "novel" virus. I am voting that neither Stupak nor The Mayor are experts.
I'm sure that Mr. Stupak, professor of otolaryngology (https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=meMKLHIAAAAJ) at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, will be very sad to hear that random poster on a basketball message board doesn't think he is an expert. At least you are a 99er.
I guess we could let Dr. Stupak answer the question... I don’t claim to know much about individual viruses or their behavior. As a matter of fact I look for commonality amongst seasonal infections from tonsillitis (regional dz) to flu (systemic illness). Not seeing the forest for the trees is how experts failed us in management.
Dr. Stupak in his tweets may be right on the money 999 out of a 1000 times but this time ... not so much. Twitter (and as well as random posts on a basketball message board) is not built to be The Source of Truth, 144 characters at a time. Very little context can be given in only 144 characters.
We're both old. The reality is, if you are a 99er...chances are, you're old. Unless you started posting on this BBS at age 7. And even then, you would be in your 30s now...
Bill Maher clarifies how much we should "just believe" doctors, pharmaceutical companies and the US government "experts" with regards to these vaccines: Bill Maher to Doctors: Don't Tell Me You Are Certain That The Vaccine Is Safe, "You've Been Wrong A Lot" Bill Maher said to reject the attitude of "just get it in you" from doctors and pharmaceutical companies recommending COVID vaccines in an appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast that aired on Tuesday. "My point of view is that we are still in the infancy of understanding how the human body works," Maher told Rogan. "So don't tell me things like 'Just do what we say. Don't question it. When have we ever been wrong?.' A lot. You've been wrong a lot. And you just don't know a lot. You haven't cured cancer. I'm not blaming you for that. I know you're trying. I could name a thousand other things you haven't cured -- Parkinson's, MS, Lyme disease. You just don't know very much. It's not an insult. You just don't." Well said, Bill. You nailed it. This is the attitude everyone should have towards these people from now on.
Met him, brilliant dude and also a douche (most are not saying as an insult). He’s right about a lot of what is listed as “controversial takes” on his Twitter but maybe out of context here a bit as he’s referring to NY policy specifically. He’s a 100% right about surgical masks in the OR though, there are a lot of stupid things people are required to do that really make no sense wtf does Parkinson’s and cancer have to do with this? This has to be the most nonsensical disingenuous bullshit I’ve read from anyone outside tucker. That’s not the point, it’s in comparison to if you get covid which really puts you in the natural selection category if you’re reading scary words like “myocarditis” aka not knowing what you’re reading vs catching covid with the immediate and long term morbidity. you know what else isn’t safe? Chemotherapy, radiation, going to the cath lab or a stent when you have a heart attack or using veins from your legs to bypass vessels in your heart. The point, like everything else in medicine is that the benefits far outweigh the risks. people like him that don’t know what they’re talking about really should shut the **** up and preach to their brain dead edgy audience. I’m fine with people disagreeing, but using that argument of “yOu dIdnT trEaT cAnCeR” (also not true, most cancers even metastatic ones are amenable to treatment) is profoundly idiotic and the more reasons people like him should really be irrelevant put your money where your mouth is Bill, don’t seek treatments for the above. You’re on the wrong track if you’re attacking your healthcare workers @MojoMan , don’t pick and choose what you want treatment from in the sea of benefit/risk analysis. You’re taking your loved on in the second **** hits the fan and you know it.
^^^^^^ Blah blah blah blah blah.... The doctors, the media and the government experts do not know. That is an established fact. Bill Maher is exactly right and everyone who is not a numbskull will be in agreement with him on this point.
I think Maher is only trying to make the point that there are hardly any absolute scientific truths in most of medicine. He is not saying you shouldn't get treatment or you shouldn't get the vaccine - if I understand it correctly, his point is that dissent or skepticism (even if incorrect) should not be stifled, censored, punished the way we have seen happening.
I don’t know man, you’re grouping government and the media with doctors in terms of getting medical advice. You’re answering your own reservations here with that logic and if you’re looking to the former to answer those questions . Do you really look to Twitter for your chest pain? nobody can tell you “get the vaccine or you’ll die”. One, that’s not good practice, two, it violates patient autonomy and informed consent the latter which discusses risks/benefits and alternatives. These are pillars and not offenses taken lightly. To frame this as “they’re saying it’s 100% safe!” Is a straw man is my point. Nothing, I repeat, no decision is without a justification of risks/benefits even Tylenol. It’s the job of physicians to weigh that and tell you, it’s your job to decide. Reframing it like bill is is to get hits. I’ll back you guys on mask policy especially children (as there is no evidence) but grouping this In is false
I don’t know if it’s from a clip and someone summarized blurbs with sensationalism but yes I agree as would most healthcare providers with what you said. Autonomy is a thing and people should be able to make choices. Certain people (those that work with immunosuppressed / cancer patients) should have less of a choice since they affect people that can’t mount a good response to vaccines. I do agree that the shutdown logic used by a lot on the left has been toxic but I don’t give Maher a pass either if what he said in that articleis true
With the nature/sensitivity of the interwebz I don’t ever answer this question (if you get my meaning) and avoid commenting on health issues all together when I can but time definitely flies, think I was in high school when first posted here . I’m old now too lol
