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D&D Coronavirus thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    So in 2020 counties with a lot of Trump voters were more resilient to Covid death?
     
  2. Jugdish

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    Population density
     
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  3. NewRoxFan

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    Interesting twitter thread:



     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    I saw that thread. He is discounting the difference in elderly population way too conveniently. Mortality goes up so much with age, it's by far the strongest risk factor.









     
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    https://twitter.com/markmcneilly/status/1494676527363112967?s=20&t=eu55Q2kQwd0kPbfuRBTmCQ










    ...and...someone did the work:



    Look here:

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...s-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

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    The risk of death from a Covid infection is more than 100 x higher if you are 70+!

    So for this guy to hand wave "oh yes they are a bit older" is unscientific at best, but this guy is too smart to be that ignorant. So he has an agenda.

    The guy who posted the age-adjusted graph totally destroyed this dude's argument.

    AND - the other thing you see here is that infection rates were actually exactly the same.

    What does that tell you about the mask mandate - that was meant to prevent infections?

    Exactly.
     
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  7. AroundTheWorld

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    https://www.prb.org/resources/which-us-states-are-the-oldest/

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    So Florida has the second highest percentage of 65+ population in the country, California has the 6th lowest.

    If you see that the risk of dying from Covid is hundreds of times higher for people in that age group, it is incredibly disingenuous for a "scientist" to just mention the difference in population age structure in a side comment and not include it in his analysis.

    He cannot be that dumb.

    Even we could do that math. Fortunately, someone already did.

    But again - the infection statistics and the age-adjusted death rates show you one thing: The mask mandates make **** all of a difference. None.
     
  8. London'sBurning

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    A German drinks a little tap water in Florida one time, gets "gassed" and this is what you're left with. We kill our elderly in Florida better than California! Your data is f*cking skewed af bro you f*cking sheep. BAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

     
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    Peak Delusion: Joy Behar Says She'll Break From CDC Guidance, Wear A Mask Inside "Indefinitely"

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    With a mug like that, she will be doing everyone a favor - especially if she wears it live on the air, during her show.
     
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    You mean, a horse anti-parasitic isn't effective as an anti-viral?



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  11. AroundTheWorld

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    Yeah, I wouldn't take that stuff.
     
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    "Omicron did a better job than the vaccines"...
     
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    How is he discounting it, though? He’s saying that’s obviously a factor, but difference in booster rates (especially for elderly) would be another one.

    It seems like he is acknowledging both as factors, and people who want to discount the importance of boosters are taking exception to that.
     
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  15. Amiga

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    You should be comparing per thousand rates among age groups. I think the CDC has that information. It should completely make sense that the booster population has less infection and death against the first wave of Omicron in the US (Nov-Feb). A second wave is a different story.
     
  16. NewRoxFan

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    People can't keep wearing their masks while eating. You are correct, we should close all restaurants down.
     
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    preprint: https://psyarxiv.com/t2g45/

    Prejudice Against the Vaccinated and the Unvaccinated During the COVID-19 Pandemic: A Global Conjoint Experiment

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    Despite early hope that vaccines may end the COVID-19 pandemic, large unvaccinated minorities persist even in countries with high vaccine access. Consequently, public debates and protests have been intensifying over the issue of vaccination. Here, we ask whether people's status as either vaccinated or unvaccinated has come to reflect a socio-political cleavage that spills over even to interactions between people in everyday life. Using a standard measure of exclusionary reactions in family relationships, we quantify the antipathy between vaccinated and unvaccinated citizens in 21 countries (10,740 respondents), representative of 58\% of the world's population. Using conjoint experimental data, we demonstrate that vaccinated people have high antipathy towards the unvaccinated, 2.5 times more than towards a traditional target: immigrants from the Middle East. This antipathy reflects, in part, stereotypic inferences that unvaccinated individuals are untrustworthy and unintelligent, making the antipathy resemble prejudice towards other deviant groups. Antipathy towards the unvaccinated is larger in countries that suffered fewer COVID-19 deaths and that have higher social trust. In contrast, we find no evidence that unvaccinated respondents display antipathy towards vaccinated people, although they are equally prejudiced against immigrants. While previous research recommends framing vaccination as a moral obligation in order to increase uptake, our research documents the costs of this strategy. Whether understandable or not, the antipathy faced by the unvaccinated may exacerbate marginalization and mistrust, which are core causes of their initial vaccine hesitancy, and further entrench the conflict. The novel socio-political cleavage we document may thus be an indication that societies worldwide will leave the pandemic more divided than they entered it.​
     
  18. tinman

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    I thought you Live or die based on who you voted for ? So if you didn’t vote or live in another country you automatically die
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Did you read his quote? Here is is

    Bill Gates: "SADLY the virus itself - particularly the variant called Omicron - is a type of vaccine, creates both B cell and T cell immunity and it's done a better job of getting out to the world population than we have with vaccines."

    So, in other words, it is sad that a virus had to rip through more of the world (essentially killing folks along the way), than a safe vaccine.
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    Sadly or not, he is correct about the natural immunity.
     

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