1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

D&D Coronavirus thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Houston Knicks fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    44,546
    Likes Received:
    62,202
    Biden versus the Deep State

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/07/29/biden-vaccine-federal-workers/

    Biden’s planned vaccine rule meets resistance from large groups of federal workers
    Groups representing law enforcement, postal workers, and IRS managers all issue statements raising concerns about a government mandate.

    By Eli Rosenberg
    Today at 2:00 p.m. EDT

    President Biden’s expected announcement of a vaccine mandate for federal workers has splintered groups representing large numbers of employees, raising questions about compliance and enforcement as the White House attempts to arrest the spread of covid-19′s delta variant.

    Some sectors of the federal workforce, including groups as disparate as law enforcement officers and postal workers, raised immediate concerns about the requirement, sending an early signal of looming problems.

    The Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, which represents more than 26,000 federal officers, has blasted the idea, saying that it believes requiring vaccines represented an infringement on civil rights.

    “There will be a lot of pushback, it’s going to be an avalanche,” President Larry Cosme said, warning that many of the group’s members at the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security would be very opposed.

    Rather than try to force employees to get vaccines, Cosme said, the government could offer financial or other incentives to employees that get vaccinated.

    Similarly, the American Postal Workers Union said that it was opposed to the mandatory vaccines for postal workers, saying in a statement late Wednesday that policies about vaccination and testing must be negotiated individually with the union.

    The Professional Managers Association, meanwhile, which represents thousands of Internal Revenue Service managers, also released a statement that pushed back on the idea of a mandate, saying that it thought the issue should be left to “agency leadership.”

    Some traditionally left-leaning unions have also shown resistance.

    The American Federation of Teachers, which represents some 130,000 health care workers who could be affected by different vaccine mandates in places like California, released a statement saying that mandatory vaccinations must be part of the collective bargaining process between unions and government leaders.

    “In order for everyone to feel safe and welcome in their workplaces, vaccinations must be negotiated between employers and workers, not coerced,” said the union’s president, Randi Weingarten, typically a prominent liberal ally. “We believe strongly that everyone should get vaccinated unless they have a medical or religious exception, and that this should be a mandatory subject of negotiation for employers to keep their employees safe and build trust. But health care professionals are concerned that mandating vaccines outside contract negotiation will only result in more people leaving the bedside at a time when staffing levels are already low from the trauma of the past year.”
    more at the link
     
  2. MojoMan

    MojoMan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2009
    Messages:
    6,737
    Likes Received:
    1,685
  3. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Insider Newsletter™ 2X Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    36,233
    Likes Received:
    17,328
    Seems like more a "union turf issue" than a "civil rights issue".

    Couple of rich points:
    • A union boss suggesting bribes as a viable alternative as opposed to the forced mandate
    • A union for Law Enforcement calling it a "civil rights" violation as if they ever cared about protecting it when the shoe was on the other foot.
     
  4. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    25,342
    Likes Received:
    8,185
  5. Jugdish

    Jugdish Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2006
    Messages:
    7,438
    Likes Received:
    6,466
    Translation?
     
  6. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    35,387
    Likes Received:
    12,383
    It won't be forced vaccinations. It's get a vaccine or wear a mask + get regular COVID tests:

    https://www.npr.org/2021/07/29/1022...cination-rates-by-focusing-on-federal-workers

    Under Biden's new rules, federal employees and contractors — a group that the White House said includes more than 4 million Americans — will need to confirm they are vaccinated or be tested once or twice a week for the virus. Those who cannot attest to being vaccinated will also have to wear masks while on the job.
     
    txtony likes this.
  7. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Insider Newsletter™ 2X Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    36,233
    Likes Received:
    17,328
    Crayon eaters follow junk science, and they hate you for the fact they're tyrannically forced to mask up.
     
  8. txtony

    txtony Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    14,939
    Likes Received:
    10,411
    And in the military, it will be mandated.

    “Today, the president will announce that he is directing the Department of Defense to look into how and when they will add COVID-19 vaccination to the list of required vaccinations for members of the military,” the White House said in a fact sheet released ahead of a speech Biden will give Thursday afternoon about steps he's taking to encourage more vaccinations.
     
  9. txtony

    txtony Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    14,939
    Likes Received:
    10,411
    Unacceptable. The deep state has spread far and wide.
     
  10. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    25,652
    Likes Received:
    10,900
    Angry children grow up to be angry Republicans.
     
  11. London'sBurning

    London'sBurning Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2002
    Messages:
    6,413
    Likes Received:
    3,705
    Austin-area ICU capacity reaches lowest point since start of COVID-19 pandemic

     
  12. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    39,316
    Likes Received:
    21,604
    And there still are nurses who refuse to get vaccinated..
     
  13. bobrek

    bobrek Person, woman, man, camera, TV
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    31,573
    Likes Received:
    18,701
    Yep... just found out my wife's cousin who is a nurse and an anti-vaxxer, had COVID along with her husband
     
    No Worries likes this.
  14. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    39,316
    Likes Received:
    21,604
    I don't understand the mindset of people who see the toll that COVID is taking daily. Who have already seen many of their colleagues and others get vaccinated with no side effects yet still refuse to get vaccinated. They of all people should realize they are not just putting themselves at risk but putting their patients and others at risk. Them getting sick also means they won't be able to do their jobs but also that they will be taking resources from others not only with COVID but others facing medical emergencies.
     
  15. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    25,342
    Likes Received:
    8,185
  16. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    25,342
    Likes Received:
    8,185
  17. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    25,342
    Likes Received:
    8,185
  18. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    25,342
    Likes Received:
    8,185
  19. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    44,797
    Likes Received:
    41,690
    Look at the date, much has changed since then. But of course, that simple explanation would not allow you the chance to mislead.
     
    No Worries likes this.
  20. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    44,797
    Likes Received:
    41,690

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now