I never did this. Just in case you spoke about me. Wrong. In fact Jan Ullrich was tested positive once. But he didn't dope. He took a party drug. Very sad that he did this, though. Because there are a lot more allegations, information, accusers, witnesses and doubts behind the achievements of Lance. Well, I think it's 2005. This means it's about 15 years ago. Jan was 16 back then. Your point is just not valid. In fact the German doping controll system is much more strict than yours. That means the exact opposite of your argument is what really counts. That's a joke, isn't it? I'm not saying that Jan didn't dope. But it is a lot more likely that Lance dopes a lot more. Just look into information about Chris Carmichael, Michele Ferrari and what Greg LeMond said. You won't find any serious allegations against Jan Ullrich. So stop the ignorance and just look into information. Maybe. But he was far away from being a Tour de France champion before his cancer. He had not the ability, he had not the style he has now, he had not the muscles he has now. He is a totally diefferent rider now. It's almost impossible to achieve this without any doping. Jan Ullrich is a lazy rider. He did make a lot of errors in his preparations. He always gets ill because of his body. He doesn't sacrifize everything for his profession. This are all valid points. He doesn't deserve to be a 5 time Tour de France winner with this work ethic. And just for the record. I predicted that Lance would beat Jan again in this Tour long time ago. Lance just works harder, besides being the king of dopers. I give him much credit for both. 1. Why do you guys have to make it a Lance vs. Jan discussion? The doping thing has nothing to do with this. 2. What have their girlfriends to do with their profession? 3. He didn't left her. They are still friends. They take care of their daughter together. And Jan gave Gaby a lot of money without going to court. I think their is no better way of cancelling a relationship when the love is over. Why should we? Just look into the information and you don't need any positive tests to be one of the doubters.
Ok I think it's time for me to discuss things with people with actual knowledge of the sport. I knew this was the wrong place to discuss this, but I didn't know it was that bad. Sorry for the inconvenience. I will stick to Rockets Basketball when posting here. This makes a lot more sense.
I know nothing of the sport and totally admit it. I was just messing with you. I will say that I'm glad we win and you dont. I know I have absolutely nothing worthwhile to add to the conversation and you very well may be right. I'm just really bored at work.
What was the point of speaking to other survivors? Was it a fundraiser? What are the details? Was the money intended for his charity? Has Lance, on other occassions helped MD Anderson, gratis? Unfortunate that I must spell it out for you, but since Lance has donated his time and name on NUMEROUS occassions, it would be obvious to wonder why he wanted $ in this instance.
Hey, I'm really not as dumb as this thread has indicated (even thought there are people who would question that). I swear that if you sat here as long as I have with as little to do as I have, you would start posting random idiocy as well. I really hope that my next contract (BACK HOME IN HOUSTON!!! WOO HOO!!!) will be more stimulating than this crap hole I have been in for the last two months.
Cohen, Sorry I didn't make it clear. This was an event that he had appeared at before. Not sure if he did it for no charge, but it definitely wasn't for $250k.
For all this information that there supposedly is about Lance and doping, HitlerRoxFan sure isn't providing any of it... "Lance is a doper because I think he is" Your opinion has been noted, sir...Thank you, please drive through...
That's a fair question, but a bit of a misunderstanding, I think. I believe I posted repeatedly that I would not want to make a statement saying that Jan has never doped. I really don't know. It is entirely possible that they are both dopers (and that almost all of the guys who are participating in the Tour de France are dopers one way or another). I think there are three reasons that I keep pointing out the circumstantial evidence (and there is A LOT) with regards to Lance Armstrong: 1) I believe it to be true. The indications have come from so many different sources - that has not been the case in Jan's case (the ecstasy "doping" suspension for Jan Ullrich has already been explained by GermanRoxFan). 2) I can't stand the way Lance Armstrong acts. To me, he is one of the most arrogant and least likable guys in all of sports, possibly even exceeding Michael Jordan, who I always thought was a huge jerk (notwithstanding the fact that he was a great athlete, which Armstrong is in a way also, doping or not - you could pump me full of whatever, and I would drop off the bike at the first hill these guys race up). 3) Because of number 1) and 2), it does irk me somewhat when some people want to put Armstrong on a pedestal and give him an almost God-like status. Yes, it is admirable (doping or not) how he fought to overcome his cancer. It is also admirable that he gives money to charities. But because of all other aspects of how he carries himself (e.g., his mobbing of the Italian rider last year, his facial expressions, some statements about others), I think he does not deserve to be adored as much as he apparently is by some (I thought the same about Jordan - great player, but jerk - Kobe is a similar case). All that being said, I am aware that Armstrong is from Texas, and that people from Texas will be even more inclined to cheer for him, and I do not want to hurt any feelings, so I will only speak about Armstrong the doper again during this Tour when new evidence comes up.
I reported your post. You used to be funny, now you are just annoying. Why don't you just stop posting again.
Testing positive for X isn't testing positive for performance enhancing drugs IMO. Actually I have no problems with Jan partying. This is my point. It's all just allegations. There has been absolutly NO evidence. That Walsh guy is on the record as hating Lance because Lance embarrased him publicly. Lance can be tested any time of the day any time of the year (not just during races). He can't go anywhere without informing the drug controll people where he's going to be just incase they want to surprise him with a test. Did you know that Lance actually pays money out of his own pocket to fund anti-doping efforts? UCI president Hein Verbruggen spoke to ‘Eurosport’ and divulged that the American “gave money for the research against doping, to discover new anti-doping methods," “He gave money from his private funds, cash. He didn't want this to be known but he did it". So you admin that Jan may have doped when he was younger? Also, the government doesn't administer the drug test... the UCI does. Both riders are subject to the same drug controls. What did Chris Carmichael or Ferrari say that implicates Lance does dope? You're kidding, right? You are saying the Chris Carmichael has accused Lance of doping? You're saying the Ferrari has SAID something about Lance doping. Please site this. I REALLY want to see what Chris Carmichael said about Lance. You have absolutly NO evidence to back this up. It's like saying the Egyptions had no way of building the pyramids without alien help. Clearly it's possible to achieve this without doping. But you really don't know, do you? There is exactly the same evidence that Lance uses dope as there is that aliens have visited the planet. It's all just allegations. There is no scientific evidence at all. None. Zip. Nada. You don't KNOW that Lance does dope, you just believe he does. My point is why even say that when you don't know? Why slander someone? Would you like it if someone said you were a child abuser or drug head when there was no evidence? Wait, someone who doesn't like you said you were a child abuser so I should believe its true? Give me a break. If he tests positive then he will pay the consequences. But until then why slander the guy when you have no evidence and can't even site anyone elses evidence. Even that Walsh book says there is no evidence, just a lot of inuendo.
chill german bruthas, isn't it possible that because lance is the most media saturated bike racer ever, and that his unprecedented 6 straight tour wins has him under the microscope, that maybe, just maybe, that is why there are more accusations of cheating leveled at him than at ullrich or any of the others who mr. armstrong has been crushing like bugs on a windshield. also, did you like the length of that sentence?
While I may not agree with GermanRoxFan's assertions about Lance Armstrong, this is totally uncalled for, childish, and you should be banned for it.
@ 111chase111: I would like to encounter your arguments in a way that satisfies me, but my english is just not good enough. And it certainly doesn't get us any further if I write in german. I can just repeat it. There are these information and you can find them. They aren't a positive test, but they will make you doubt. And my opinion is definitely not just based on jealousy, me being german or anything else. I have arguments for my opinion. Two short points: 1. Carmichael and Ferrari never said anything negative about Lance. But why should they? They are part of his doping history. Probably the most important pieces. 2. I even admitted that Jan may have doped in his days as a pro. I also said that he is an asthma rider. In fact I said a lot of great riders dope and only very few have never ever doped. Bjarne Riis, once Ullrich's teammate at team telekom and the winner of the Tour in 1996, was an epo doper. Of course he was never tested positive. He is right now the manager of the CSC team. I have nothing to say about A-Train, especially since he didn't even care to read my posts where I talked about patriotism, Germany and so on. I hope he gets what he deserves.
people are just messing with you, including A-Train, who said something so obviously stupid and out of line that i think you can just dismiss it as such. however, you are posting on a texas sports web site and attacking a texas sports legend. armstrong's chief rival is german, you are german. you did expect a little ribbing, right?
