What's up with all of Germany hating on Lance? Just because he makes Ulrich his b**** every year they have to insist he is a cheat.
I understand that this is the wrong place to discuss this topic. But like I said, it's hard for me to discuss it in english. There are a lot of information about this topic. Everybody who looks into this information will at least doubt that Lance never doped. It was Jan Ullrich who was tested positive. He admitted, that he took ecstasy at a party once. But the fact is, that he didn't dope. He was injured at this time and didn't participate in any races. There was no need to dope. Besides this he is one of the typical asthma riders. They can take medication which is some form of doping I guess. But they are allowed to use it. Lance is allowed to take testosterone injections which probably helped him to build the type of muscles he has now. He was not that type of a rider before his cancer. He hadn't this type of muscles. I would like to explain it, but I just can't it because of my english. I just can say it again. There are a lot of information about it. You just have to look into it. And again, he is by far not the only one doping, but he is the king. I give him credit for this. Other great riders dope too, but they are not this clever. @ doc robert: The 2nd point is what I was trying to make. He is the best player in a game full of cheating. Only few riders are actually clean and have never used doping medication. @ harrisment: Yeah, just play the countrymen game. But I can just repeat it again. This has nothing to do with me being German. I think it's hard to unterstand for you Americans, but I'm actually not proud of my country or anything. I don't know why. It's not an achievement being a German. It was pure luck that I was born here. Nothing to be proud of. In fact I like the USA a lot (probably my favourite country though I've never been here/there). And I like American riders. Tyler Hamilton was once maybe my favourite rider. I like riders from other countries a lot. So there's no point. And believe me not only German people think that Lance is a doper. There are a lot Americans too. It's pure ignorance if you reduce me to this.
GermanRoxFan, thanks for your thoughtful posts. I agree with every word in your posts (I am also German, in case you don't know, but that is not the reason that I agree). You are of course completely right about American riders also saying that Lance Armstrong is the king of dopers. Greg Lemond is one of the few courageous ones who spoke out. There was a long thread here last year where I had to take all kinds of abuse for posting the article concerning that (and a few more articles and opinions, I have to admit ). P.S.: If I may say so as another non-native speaker, your English seems perfectly fine to me.
I agree, but I don't really see the difference. I don't think all of them are dopers, but a lot of them (maybe almost all), and the circumstantial evidence seems to suggest that Armstrong has just been the most clever one at doing it.
So Lance is the king of dopers, but its a "fact" that Ulrich has never doped? I suspect this has everything to do with nationality..................
I'm shocked ~ the Tour de France is here and the GERMAN attacks (like clockwork) have begun... Jealousy.
As so often, you either misunderstand a statement or misrepresent it. If you had paid attention, you would have seen that GermanRoxFan wrote, "It was Jan Ullrich who was tested positive. He admitted, that he took ecstasy at a party once. But the fact is, that he didn't dope. He was injured at this time and didn't participate in any races.". Note the difference. GermanRoxFan is referring to the specific instance when Ullrich had taken a banned substance (ecstasy). GermanRoxFan said "he didn't dope...at this time". You changed that statement, either out of a lack of comprehension skills or because you wanted to misrepresent it, to "its [sic] a "fact" that Ulrich has never doped?". For the slower ones out there: "didn't at the time" does not equal "has never".
I'm not german, actually i am almost always against the germans in sport(friendly competition, sorry SJC ). I'm not a armstrong fan, i respect him for fighting trought the disease, however i do not like him as athlete. i think he is an arrogant anoying athlete. I liked indurain and i did not like it that armstrong got one more victory. i think that they all use dope. i do not care that they use it, but i do not like it that they lie about it, and act offended when people think they do. So i do not like it when they keep on saying they didn't, that is lying.
Was it a shorter suspension (like 3 months or so) since he was not competing at the time? Also during the time he was suspended, was he still injured for some or all of it? Just asking as I had not heard of Ullrich being out for a longer period. No hidden agenda.
Not that this really matters, but it is common knowledge in Austin that Kristin cheated on Lance first with one of his good friends.
So... Is MD Anderson a non-profit or for-profit entity? Do the Physicians at MD Anderson accept lower pay to help accomodate more patients? Just asking...
I think the issue is that you've accused Lance of doping with no real evidence (just hearsay and inuendo) but seem to defend Jan. Both cyclists have never tested positive and both display amazing amounts of power. So why are you sure that Lance dopes but want to give Jan the benifit of the doubt? Remember Jan is a product of the East Germain athletic machine which was very well known for using "products" to increase the performance of its athletes. I would suspect that Jan is even more likely to have doped than Lance. Lance has been an outstanding endurance athlete his entire life. He was beating 20 + year old guys at triathlons when he was 15 and 16 years old. Was he doping then? He reportedly has a huge heart that pumps almost twice as much blood as an average TDF cyclist and his muscles produce less lactic acid than a normal person (not to mention his body seems to eliminate lactic acid faster than normal as well). Combine that with an enourmous drive to win along with a huge technology budget and you get Lance. Jan puts WAY LESS EFFORT into preperation than Lance does and yet he still manages to come in second.... hmmm.... Jan does little prep but can almost keep up with a superhuman guy who is relentless in his preperation. I would say all signs indicate that Jan is the doper. Other wise how could Jan keep up with Lance? On pure natural ability? Not to mention he left his girlfriend and their new born kid so he's no better than Lance in the domestic department. How about this... until Lance or Jan gets caught lets just drop the doping subject.
I have no idea and I don't understand the relevance. The fact is he wanted 250k to speak to fellow cancer survivors. Not save them.
Either it's you not reading carefully, or it's my english. But I said that Ullrich is one of the typical asthma riders. They are allowed to take medication which one can consider as some form of doping. I also said that he didn't dope when he got caught. He wasn't participating in any races and he admitted he took ecstasy. That doesn't boost your spead or your durability. And even if it would he wouldn't have any advantages because he wasn't racing. So yes, it has everything to do with nationality. And nothing with ignorance.
There you go. Thats really all you had to say. Its not our fault that your riders suck and test positive and our riders do not suck and have ALWAYS tested negative. Let me introduce you to where your opinion is obviously coming from:
