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[CYCLING] Tour de France 2005 Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by rockHEAD, Jul 2, 2005.

  1. RunninRaven

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    I am reminded of a quote from What About Bob?

    "What if...my hearts stops beating? What if I'm looking for a bathroom and can't find it? And what if..........my bladder explodes?"

    An entire article written from the "what if" perspective that brings no further analysis or evidence into light. As if the consequences and repercussions haven't been discussed ad nauseum already were it to be proven that Lance cheated. That's brilliant journalism.
     
  2. don grahamleone

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    Nobody knows the time it starts today?
     
  3. Heath

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    Race starts in 2 hours and 40 mins from now. So it is just to look for broadcasts that airs it for you. :)
     
  4. pippendagimp

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    I have a stupid question. If Lance Armstrong had testicular cancer is it possible that as a result, he did or does have increased levels of testosterone production (and hence superhuman cycling ability)?
     
  5. GermanRoxFan

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    From what I know Lance has the right to get testosterone injections. It's allowed by the UCI because his body can't produce enough. Doctors, etc. are not allowed to talk about it. So we don't know for sure what he gets and how much. I think he said that he doesn't get anything at all.


    No doubt in my mind that Lance is the king of dopers. You have to give him credit for this. I'm not saying that other riders (Jan Ullrich for example) don't dope, but Lance is definetely the king.

    And please don't reduce my opinion to me being German. I was a big fan of Tyler Hamilton before he got caught. I considered him as a rider with a lot of class. I admired his will to fight through injuries and still finish at good positions. Well, I lost all of my respect for him after he was lying about his doping methods.

    Btw: I'm very sorry for David Zabriskie. His crash was very sad. I think he would have kept the yellow jersey if he didn't crash. But he is still young and I'm sure as a prologue and time trial specialist he will get the jersey again in the years to come.
     
  6. Drewdog

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    I respect all that Lance Armstrong has achieved through cycling. He is truly the greatest of his sport.

    I dont respect someone who cheats on their wife (a really really really hot one) - someone that he claimed was his biggest supporter during his cancer battle - then hooks up with Cheryl Crow, his off-the-camera arrogance, and his belief that God had nothing to do with his recovery.

    Thats just personal opinion.
     
  7. MadMax

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    i hear ya. i was disappointed in the way he treated his wife, as well.
     
  8. Rocketman95

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    That and how he tried to charge MD Anderson $250k for a appearance fee for a cancer survivors gathering. They rightly said no.

    However, there is no doubt in my mind he is not doping. Having a future mother in-law who was weeks away from dying of cancer, I have no doubt that there is no way that Lance Armstrong would put his health and body at that kind of risk by doping. No way, no how. Anyone who says different is a hater, pure and simple.
     
  9. MadMax

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    yeah, i don't think he is either. and he is a tremendous athlete.
     
  10. leroy

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    No one in sport has had his bodily fluids scrutinized more than Lance Armstrong. If he was doping, he would have been caught by now. I'm actually getting a little tired of hearing about him (I live in Austin and it's a daily thing even when the Tour isn't happening). I won't be sad when this Tour is over and he is retired. That will mean less idiots on Austin roads wearing spandex and yellow jerseys riding in the middle of traffic.
     
  11. GermanRoxFan

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    Never heard of Eddy Merckx? Lance Armstrong is certainly one of the greatest, but he is by far not the greatest. There are more races than the Tour de France.
     
  12. GermanRoxFan

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    Well, then you have to learn a lot about professional cycling. And I just can recommend to look into the information about Michele Ferrari and so on.


    It's a little hard for me to discuss it in english, because my english is not good enough. But it's pure ignorance to just deny my opinion. I'm not just a hater, I'm a realist.

    There are so many things, which make me (but not just me) believe that he is the king of dopers. But I'm clearly saying that he is by far not the only one. In fact most of the riders are dopers. Some are just plain stupid and get caught. Others are clever and don't.

    And the argument about the doping tests is just not valid. Believe me you wouldn't believe how easy it is for riders not to get caught. And there are a lot of things which can't even be tested. Besides this the USA is simply not the country where doping tests are being handled that strictly.
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    What about France, where he's already been tested twice during the past week?

    All anybody has is circumstantial evidence. Until somebody can prove that he's taken drugs, then your argument has no legs to stand on. It comes across as pure jealousy from the euros who want their countrymen to do better.
     
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    He also cheats on her too. One of my friends is a bartender at the Yellow Rose, a titty bar here in Austin, and one night he came in thru the backdoor and basically got his choice of three strippers to take home.

    Not trying to pick at your opinions but a lot of athletes that are great have that arrogance and cheat on their women. Bonds and MJ are perfect examples of that. But I guess thats the difference from personally respecting them and respecting them for their athletic talents.
     
  15. GermanRoxFan

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    They won't find anything in France, since he wouldn't stop taking it at the right time, so that nothing can be found.


    Well I would say it's just typical american to have their true heroes who can do nothing wrong. If you reduce my opinion just to being jealous then your ignorance makes me not want to discuss any further. It's really not that simple. But if you want to make it simple so that you don't have to look into stuff which makes it highly improbable that he didn't ever take any drugs, it's up to you. I know why I have my doubts. And I also know that it's certainly not just about jealousy. But ok.
     
  16. flamingmoe

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    you can't prove a negative and Lance has passed every test he's been given by the Tour - if your going to insist he is guilty in the absence of evidence, then yes, your motivations will be called into question - namely jealously

    wasn't it the German rider, Ullrich that actualy was busted ?
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    Listen, if he's found to have taken drugs then I'll be the first person to jump off his bandwagon. The "guilty until proven innocent" mentality is not one that I can accept, however.
     
  18. Rocketman95

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    Which makes us typical Americans, I guess.
     
  19. 111chase111

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    FYI, Lance's wife didn't support him during his cancer battle because he didn't know her then. He met Kristen after he had cancer. She was working for the PR company that he hired when he was setting up his foundation.

    For some reason people think that she was there through his cancer and then he dumped her but that's just not the case. He was dating some girl who went to UT and they broke up during his cancer battle but it was not Kristen.

    This is according to his book.

    I'm not saying this to defend him, I'm just trying to set the record straight.

    PS. I heard that she actually cheated on him and was caught on security cameras at their home with someone while he was in Europe. Of course, I heard it on the Internet so take it for what it's worth...
     
  20. Doctor Robert

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    You can't accuse him of being "King of the Dopers" without any real evidence. Cycling has a long history of dopers, and I would not say any particular rider was clean without a doubt.... but every rider in the Tour has tremendous resources and access to the exact same things.

    If Lance is clean, then you have no point to make.
    If Lance is a doper, then he is just beating everyone at their own game.

    He definitely is not "King of the Dopers" he is just "King" in a doper's world.
     

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