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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Jul 11, 2014.

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  1. Voice of Aus

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    How is curry not everyone's no.1 choice in the nba for the rockets.
     
  2. BHannes2BHonest

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    Can I be your Robin?







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  3. BHannes2BHonest

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    #RobinJones









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  4. cheke64

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    Everybody here is an insider except Clutch. You see how Mr.no people skills treats his best assets?
     
  5. Zoplicone

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    The rockets are looking at an upgrade, likely at point guard. That is not insider info. We would only upgrade at one of two positions, and pg is more likely today. Bledsoe and Rondo are two players that could have new homes sooner than later. Besides posters being trolls here there is no reason to believe dragic and Rubio are going anywhere. Rondo might be traded before the season, but it's doubtful seeing his value is questionable in the trade market and Boston doesn't see any trade really enticing right now.

    That leaves Bledsoe. Maybe contract talks between the two do get ugly enough that Phoenix have no choice but to trade him. In that case Houston will be an option, along with a few other teams like the Lakers, Kings. That's all that is going on, and this is more than a few days away. And if a report down the line comes out saying rockets were in talks about Bledsoe, that does not mean plowman, batman or cyberex are insiders.
     
  6. Moonscope

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    Are you an insider? If not, how do you know such things?
     
  7. Batman Jones

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    Damn! Busted!! Put in my place by a moonscope?! How embarrassing!
     
  8. omgTHEpotential

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    Do you think DMo will be a part of this team come playoff time?
     
  9. BamBam

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    So you just want to be KNOWN as an insider? Geez Louise...:rolleyes:

    I'm not saying you don't have friends in high places, but what's the point in declaring yourself an insider?

    BTW...WELCOME BACK!...;)
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  10. basketballholic

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    No. Just considering all the factors together. Chris Paul is 29 years old and has over 24,000 NBA minutes logged. He's burned through a lot of rubber on those wheels. And Chris Paul is on a supermax contract. IF he were acquirable (which he isn't so it's not even a discussion that's relevant), his acquisition would deplete all our assets AND cap space so we couldn't really add another substantial piece besides with the MLE.

    Goran, on the other hand, is a year younger, he's got less than 11,000 minutes logged on his body, he's a bigger, stronger body, and he's on a $7.5 million contract what will change into an $11.25 million cap hold after this season, thereby allowing Morey the flexibility to possibly sign or trade for another substantial piece while retaining him long-term.

    For the Rockets I'd rather have Goran over Paul for the reasons I listed. Doesn't mean I don't know how good CP3 is. I do. He's the best PG on the planet right now and one of the greatest of all-time. Great player. But he's on a super max deal that will prevent us from any other major acquisition and he's piled up the minutes, he's a small-bodied guy and he's been dinged.
     
  11. omgTHEpotential

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    Should you also add the minutes he's played professionally for his clubs in Europe?

    2003–2004 Ilirija Ljubljana (Slovenia)
    2004–2006 KD Slovan (Slovenia)
    2006–2007 CB Murcia (Spain)
    2007–2008 Olimpija Ljubljana (Slovenia)

    Also, you should probably include the minutes he's logged in while representing Slovenia in FIBA competitions, exhibition games.
     
  12. dobro1229

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    The point guard position with the Rockets and most NBA teams is extremely overrated in regards to impact. You guys are getting way too boxed in on what you think the Rockets "Needs" are and how desperate the Rockets should be to get SOMEONE, ANYONE... other than what you already have.

    In the NBA, you really should refer to guards as lead guards, or support guards instead of the traditional "Point Guard" and "Shooting guard" titles. Just think about the title for a minute, and think how outdated the term "Shooting... Guard" is.

    By all accounts, unless the Rockets are looking to acquire Chris Paul, James Harden is the lead guard for the Rocket. If the Rockets are truly looking for a "SUPPORT GUARD" what are the characteristics that would best suit a player in that role???

    I'm not saying Bledsoe, Dragic, Rondo, etc. can't play a support guard role, but if you think about it in those terms......


    I don't have the data right now to back it, but I personally believe the Rockets would see a greater on the court impact by acquiring another high impact big man, or high impact wing that can maybe play the 3,4 spots alongside Ariza and Harden at the same time. There is a reason why Morey went after Bosh & Melo before guys like Bledsoe, etc. in free agency. Bledsoe would have been a target all along that you heard about, but no... nothing.

    I think the smoking gun is there that Morey's data will show a higher impact upgrading other roles on the team. I'm sure he'd take an upgrade at "Supporting Guard", but I don't think its nearly as high priority as other impactful players they could acquire elsewhere on the roster.

    You guys are thinking way too traditional about this. Remove that thinking from your head, and you might just see, and not be shocked that, Morey should really be looking at more than just 4 traditional "Point Guards" who might or might not even be available in the first place.
     
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    Those aren't NBA minutes. And yes, CP3 has probably logged more of those minutes than Goran has.
     
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    why were you banned batman?
     
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    Commissioner Gordon said he killed Harvey Dent. Murder is a automatic ban.

    But once it came out that Batman Jones acted in self defense against Harvey "Two Face" Dent, he was reinstated.
     
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    So what if those aren't NBA minutes. Basketball is basketball. Players experience wear and tear in Europe as well.
     
  17. basketballholic

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    Agree with most all of this, especially the "lead guard", etc.

    Just a few added points.


    1. Gotta have more than 1 playmaker on the floor to win a championship. Harden can't do it by himself. You gotta have that second playmaker or co-playmaker.

    2. While acquiring a great PF does more for this team than acquiring a top-notch 2-way PG....right now those great PFs aren't available. So, the next best thing is to acquire a top-notch PG (if one is actually available) and a second tier big. We simply can't just afford to sit on our hands and wait for LaMarcus next summer. That might not materialize.


    3. The PG position is ripe with talent in the NBA. However that doesn't preclude acquiring a difference maker at the PG position. The top 3 to 5 PGs are still the top 3 to 5 PGs and are going to win their matchups over 80% of the time. That's important.

    4. IF......a big IF....but IF we could acquire Goran (or Rubio) through trade, without depleting our stash of assets specifically the Pelies pick, their cap holds next summer are a little over $11.25 million in Goran's case and $11.6 million in Rubio's case. That's a reasonable cap hold number that allows us flexibility to go after possibly Paul Millsap in free agency or possibly use the threat of our cap space to generate a sign-and-trade for a guy like LaMarcus....or possibly trade for some other young big like Zeller or Kanter in a S&T arrangement using the pick as enticement to get the deal done.



    If we can acquire a top-notch 2-way PG that can play both off the ball and on the ball efficiently...and is on a reasonable contract.....I see no reason why we shouldn't do it.
     
  18. basketballholic

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    CP3 has just as many or more of those type minutes.
     
  19. omgTHEpotential

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    Oh really? Show me the math.
     
  20. basketballholic

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    Nope. Do your own math. CP3 has logged way more minutes than Dragic has. Even when you add in FIBA, the Olympics, and Euroleague. Not even close. Do your own match and prove it to yourself. I'm not gonna spoonfeed you after chewing up the food for you first.
     
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