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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Jul 11, 2014.

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  1. eman

    eman Member

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    You never know what sort of freak lurks beneath the most benign facade... But I'd be amazed if our man DM lets his little head think for his big head-- at least at work.
     
  2. Chuck Nevitt

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    The Batman will be Plowed under and return to his long slumber in the Bat Cave.
     
  3. dobro1229

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    Not that anyone is right or wrong here but I will just say this.

    Since Morey has been the GM of the Houston Rockets, have you ever known him to really only target just one player at any given time ever???


    Not saying you dont understand, but I'm pretty sure very few people here have no clue how these dealings work in NBA business offices, or in professional sales negotiation environments in general. Morey has been on record explaining a high level overview of how the front office works trades(basically to debunk that they are targeting X player via trade exclusively at the time ironically), and relayed that information by discussing his background in sales and describing his "Sales Funnel" process.

    I don't want to bore anyone with the details of how all this works, but Morey & co. send out the equivalent to a "sales proposal" to teams all the time. Sometimes those proposals sit on the shelf for months, or even years until randomly a team calls Morey back to discuss a deal they talked about before, and then things happen very quickly to come to terms, or they don't happen at all. Sometimes those proposal calls/emails are just conversation starters, and some are hard proposals, but they all have a purpose.

    Morey's call to Billy King this week (if Cyberx's info is correct) could very well be the equivalent of Time Warner sending you an email letting you know your NBA League Pass is about to come back, and then having a blurb at the bottom of the email that talks about upgrading to the Extreme package with HBO and Cinemax.

    I'm not saying Batman is right, Plowman is wrong, Plowman is right, Cyberx is wrong, etc. etc. etc.

    But what I am saying is that if you think that Morey is only targeting one player much less one Point Guard in the entire NBA to potentially acquire than you probably haven't been following Daryl Morey's tenure as the Rockets GM very closely. He's works like a Sales Professional and never puts all his eggs in one basket. Its all up to which buyer bites on the bait and when is all up to the sales process of dependent on EVERY UNIQUE BUYER.
     
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    Well being healthy and at a top % healthy is different story. We could say Dwight was healthy last year but even he admitted it wasn't until this summer that he was able to do certain movements with this back. So who knows what kind of mobility (an example) Dwill has.

    That is why Morey is doing this due diligence oh him. If DWILL is at 90% or some % that morey and his staff have in mind, then they may take a shot at him.
     
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    :) But I would say that Dwill, at this point, is only an "eye-of-the-beholder" beauty.

    I'm sure DWill is a backup-to-a-backup-to-a-backup plan, to be executed during the season if (a) Plowman's candidates fall through and (b) DWill shows he's much more than the walking dead of recent seasons.
     
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    I wouldn't trade all of our assets for Dwill even if healthy at this point in his career. I certainly hope the NOP pick wouldn't be involved.
     
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    Suspect you're right. DWill really had it going on way back when. I'd think the basketball gods had punished him with those ankles for running Sloan out-- but dat contract!
     
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    He's been around forever too.....I'm just letting everything unfold at this point....taking it in.

    Whatever the Party line might be at the moment, when the smoke clears we'll have our man.

    And Batman's appearance assures 100 Ron Paul gifs.

    dobro's last post was pretty inline .....

    A killer time to be a Rockets fan, eh, delish?
     
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  9. J Sizzle

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    How confident are you in this? 60%? 80%? More?
     
  10. Smacktle

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    You have to read the entire thread to understand anything that's being said. This thread is like a book.
     
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    Pretty much how things appear from the outside. Send out a bunch of feelers and hope a few lead to conversations.

    Take DWill for example. Morey calls King and asks about DWill. King knows we need a point guard, so he takes the call. They talk about a few things, some related to DWill and others not. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if Mirza Teletovic's name came up, as he's a stretch 4 that has shown progress over the last few years. He's also an expiring that will be restricted next year.

    So later in the year Brooklyn realizes that DWill is not the same DWill, and they need help at PG, but it needs to be "low cost". We have Beverley, Johnson, Canaan, and Llull, all of whom come with affordable contracts. So the framework of a deal begins to take form...something like Canaan for Teletovic with other pieces added in to level things out.

    This fits in with the idea that trades tend to be event driven. The buyer (or seller) has an immediate need for something, and they look for someone with the ability to satisfy that need. Harden was traded when he was because he was nearing the deadline to sign an extension. The Terry trade was annouced because Sac was approaching the deadline to waive and stretch him. Obviously all the trade deadline deals.

    The next significant deadline is when Bledsoe's QO expires, but even that is not that big of a deal. After that, you've got the deadline for extensions: Rubio, Faried, Reggie Jackson, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, etc. Then you have the mid-December deadline to trade for players that can then be traded again at the trade deadline, and then the trade deadline itself.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    Who ever came from Sloan, Jazz that is :grin:, and did as well, let alone better, when with the acquiring team?

    It has been a remarkable run in Ute City for guys to excel in that system and flounder elsewhere.
     
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    He's been our GM for more than a year. Lol I know you know that but come on. He should have kept that starting lineup intact. The chemistry would have been much better. Plus having that experience as cohesive unit imo is very beneficial to our success. We can't get that if Morey keeps changing up the core every year.
     
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    And we can't get a ring without changing that core...so do you want to compete for a ring or for which team has the most BFFs?
     
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    Though I agree about the need for chemistry, I think you're missing the reason he "broke up" the starting lineup. He didn't believe that a core group of Harden, Howard and Parsons was enough to win a championship.

    I don't know if he was right or not. It might have turned out that those 3 could have won a championship with several years of accumulating MLE players to fill in the gaps. But if he simply didn't think Parsons was that third player that he's after, given the situation, and the previous decision to not pick up his option for another year, then it didn't make sense to keep him, even if it came with better chemistry by keeping that core intact for another year.

    You might disagree with his decision to not pick up Parson's option, but after it was made, I think most CF members would agree that matching Parson's contract was not in the best interest of the Rockets without having that 3rd player already on our roster.
     
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    Exactly. I still struggle to see why he would decline the 4th yr option for only "basketball reasons", but once that mistake, I mean decision was made, matching Parsons' Mavs offer would have been a worse move. One thing you can say about Morey -- it is not that he doesn't make mistakes, but rather he does not compound them or force us to be tied down by mistakes for too long :)
     
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    I just believe we would have had a better chance to compete with last years core group ( Harden, Howard, Parsons, Jones, Beverley and DMO). We allowed Parsons to get away for nothing. Now we are talking about trading Jones. That will be 57% of our rotational players f4om this past season. So my question for you: do you feel confident with Mchale coaching? Do you believe he will continue to progress with a different starting lineup every year?
     
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