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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Jul 11, 2014.

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  1. Aleron

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    In the past Rubio couldn't shoot or finish at the rim
    In the present Rubio can't shoot or finish at the rim
    In the Future, Rubio won't be able to shoot or finish at the rim

    Rubio is just a classic case of people over valuing the aesthetics, we don't have time to live in some sort of fantasy land waiting for it to not be awful, as it creates the same issue we had with Jones/Asik, that in the playoffs, defenses will use that gigantic, glaring weakness to use his man to double elsewhere, and we weren't even playing a contender.
     
  2. Sydeffect

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    Ricky Rubio shooting splits:

    At Rim: .497
    3-10 Feet: .347
    10-16: .174
    16-3pt: .308
    3pt: .331

    Looks like that slow release is killing his mid-range shooting percentage
     
  3. Sydeffect

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    Rondo 2nd year in the league:

    Rim: .559
    3-10 ft: .363
    10-16 ft: .407
    16-3ft: .462

    Rondo has been a solid mid-range shooter for a good amount of his career. Rubio after 3 years is not even close to that shooting
     
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    NO question he'll have to improve his shooting to be great. I think he will. You think he won't. We'll see, won't we?
     
  5. Sydeffect

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    Rubio has a good jumpshot when nobody is close enough to close out on him.

    If he wants to be a great jumpshooter in the NBA, he has to rebuild his jumper which is going to take a long time
     
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    Yeah...don't see it that way. There's a difference between guys with jumpers that have to be rebuilt....like MKG and Terrence.....and Rubio. Rubio needs some tweeks and a lot of reps. He doesn't need to be rebuilt from the floor up.
     
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    He's been playing basketball professionally at a very very young age. I'm pretty sure at this point it's a mechanical issue which is causing that slow release.

    Unless you seem to think he doesn't work hard on his jumper
     
  8. Aleron

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    The slow release doesn't allow him to shoot off the dribble or if any defender is near him, he can shoot only catch and shoot no defender shots, so his free throws and wide open (and i do mean WIDE open, as it's so slow, that Kendrick Perkins can close out from behind the free throw line) 3's are ok.

    That would kill any team in a playoff series as thanks to things like SportsVU, teams can know exactly how far they can sit off someone while hedging other players (you can also close out on him at high speed, because he can't put the ball on the floor and do anything but pass, so the help defense would dry up in the playoffs), there's basically nowhere on the court that a team won't love with Rubio shooting from, nowhere at all (even Jones, is at least an elite rim finisher).
     
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    It's a mechanical issue that causes the misses, yes. That's doesn't mean a total rebuild. He needs a slightly wider stance and more bend and lift. Kinda similar to what DMo needs.
     
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  10. Aleron

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    Yes he does, the slow release is a structural issue in itself, problem is he's probably too old to do that. As if after 7 years he hasn't tried tweaking it, you can't tweak it, which is why Dell rebuilt Steph's shot (only Steph was young enough that it wasn't ingrained and sucking for 2 years was ok)
     
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    Rubio doesn't always shoot slow:

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    He just sucks at shooting.
     
  12. Sydeffect

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    Yep, that's why I believe that the problem with his shot is more of a mechanical problem.

    Rebuilding a jumper will take some time.

    Having Harden and Rubio is basically diminishing returns. Harden is best with the ball in his hands, but Rubio will be pretty useless in that scenario.

    If Rubio has the ball, Harden can still be effective. (About to do a poor job explaining this next part) Having a player like Bledsoe or Dragic that can shoot, play defense, and handle the ball (albeit not as well) is more useful then getting Rubio in this offense.

    Hopefully you guys understood the terrible job I did to explain myself
     
  13. PhatPharaoh

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    so, basically.... Dragic and Bledsoe are better than Rubio lol
     
  14. Aleron

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    I know what you mean, you want a combo guard, not a point guard next to Harden.
     
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    A point guard that can shoot basically lol
     
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    Jeez, they were playing 5 feet off of him.
     
  17. Aleron

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    And he still needed Love's ****** to screen him open
     
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    I would rather have a true point for these 5 reasons

    1 Harden can play just as effective, if not more effective, playing more off the ball, see his OKC days for example. He will still be our number one scorer and get the same amount of touches. Except he'l get the touches after coming off a play, a screen, cutting to the basket etc instead of holding the ball the whole damn time.

    2 Howard would simply be in heaven with a passer like Rubio or Rondo on the team.

    3 Ariza did well last year because he had Wall setting him up, you get him a true point and he will repeat last years success.

    4 All players would benefit, Daniels, Garcia etc will just plain look better with an elite passer.

    5 Less turnovers, more pace and game control.
     
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    Woops^ guess I accidently quoted that Plowman post, didn't mean to do that.
     
  20. Sydeffect

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    I would prefer a true point too, but not one that is a horrendous shooter like Rubio. I would prefer a player like Mike Conley over Dragic or Bledsoe
     
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