That being said, I think you have far more knowledge on any of this than I do, and I enjoy reading this forum everyday for info and perspectives like yours.. Just throwing it out there that not everyone aims to be disrespectful, and it is also possible to be disrespectful and annoying towards newcomers too. This isn't a fraternity or yacht club..
With respect to you, do you understand where the whole "We are not trading Parsons." came from??? It was born out of posters constantly throwing Parsons into trades when I knew we weren't trading him. That was annoying. I didn't start the "We are not trading Parsons" bit until I had read around 500 posts saying we were trading Parsons. I won't tell you how I knew (because too many posters would use it to level more attacks) but I knew we weren't trading Parsons. As far as Love goes...he's not out of our reach until he is traded elsewhere. Remember that. I'm not saying it's going to happen. It is a long shot. But you'd better not count us out of the Love sweepstakes until he is gone. The whole bidness of Love telling MIN he won't re-sign with anybody to try to force a deal to CLE MAY have backfired. I said MAY. But that is most likely a power play by Love/Lebron/CLE to get Love to CLE WITHOUT having to give up Wiggins. I know for a fact that Lebron loves Wiggins and wants to finish his career with Wiggins as one of his wings. Lebron wants Love but he really doesn't want Love at the expense of giving up Wiggins. So the whole thing is most likely a power play. And if what I suspect is true, that it is pissing Flip off and CLE is not really willing to give up Wiggins...then Flip may very well take another "best deal on the table". I won't give up on Love until he's gone. But if we can't get Love.....I'd absolutely love to land Dragic...and possibly a very good PF along the lines of Paul Millsap good. And you can read my signature. If we can't get Love...I'd like to have Cody Zeller. He's going to be great.
You still aren't getting that doing that sort of thing in order to poke a stick at certain members might be OK for a while, if you think you need to in order to make a point, but to continue to do so, to infinity and beyond, also irritates the heck out of the members you feel you are "standing up for." That undermines how you are viewed by those who would otherwise enjoy and respect your posts, and have in the past. It's like a couple of cats in a swamp. One steps into quicksand and is sinking into the mud and mire, soon to go under and croak. The other has a rope, ties one end to a tree and tosses the other to his friend, trying to say his life. Instead of grabbing the rope and helping his friend pull him to safety, the fellow tosses the rope back while saying, "I don't need this thing. I can get out by myself!" As his friend sinks into oblivion, his buddy sighs and mutters to himself, "Damn! He was always too stubborn for his own good."
This thread is not about _ones or Jones. Take that crap elsewhere. Any further insight from our so called insiders?
You killed jones mainly bc he has no jumper particularly the 3-pointer. But I don't think zeller has taken a 3-pointer in his nba career or in his last two years at college? Jones has shown more to date. I admit his defense is bad but I don't remember zeller being called the next great defensive PF? Asking respectfully...
Love is out of reach. Got no beef with you, but I don't need to be an insider to tell you Morey has counted us out of the Love sweepstakes. As for guys like Millsap and Dragic, maybe on paper we can throw in enough to make it seem fair value, but Atlanta and Phoenix don't want to take a step back unless it's for a guy with superstar potential (like Wiggins for Love), not guys with "potential" like Capela, _ones or at best a possible 4th pick (which we all know won't be a 4th pick )
That is not what I said Airdough. What I said was a 22-year old kid who is going into his 3rd season and hasn't learned to shoot a basketball up until that point after having spent 2 seasons in a top-notch college program and 2 seasons in the NBA.....he's not likely to ever become an efficient shooter. Do your research on what I'm saying. Will the kid improve over time in other areas? Sure...if he puts in the work. Even if he does nothing, he'll naturally get a little stronger as he ages, and as he gains experience he will become somewhat better at PnR positioning, etc. So, I'm not saying he won't improve. What I have said over and over and over again (and after saying it all those times..guys like you take what I say clear out of context) is that: 1. We have to have an efficient shooter at the PF spot to win a championship. 2. T_ones is not likely to become an efficient enough shooter at the PF spot at this stage of his career. He may incrementally improve his shooting...may work up to 33-34% from the 3-point line and perhaps low 40's from 15-23 feet. But that's not good enough for the way we need to play with Harden and Howard. And the reason I feel strongly about this is because the data supports me. The odds of T_ones becoming a legit floor spacer that the defense has to account for after starting his career the way he has are minuscule. That doesn't mean I'm anti-_ones. I promise you there is not a single person here that would be happier if _ones learned how to shoot a basketball with efficient accuracy than I. NOBODY. Because I totally understand how he could benefit this team with his handle and his athleticism if he had a jump shot. But factually speaking...the odds of him developing a go-to jump shot are minuscule. People call me a hater. What I say is they aren't examining the data. The data supports me. It's the same thing as a person hating on me because I point out to them that the odds of them winning more than $2 on a lottery ticket are minuscule. They want to point out that they COULD win $2 and the COULD win the jackpot. The odds are about the same of _ones becoming even an average shooter as they are of winning $2 on a $1 lottery ticket. For him to become a plus shooter the odds are similar to winning $100,000 or more on a lottery ticket. Gather the data...look at player history in the NBA. It's all there.
I do agree though I hate our power forward position going forward. Even if Tjones puts up good stats during the regular season I don't think he's any good to have in playoff series' and I don't think DMo will ever pan out in giving us consistent quality minutes. I would rather have Bev start for us and upgrade our PFs. There are slim pickings though. The only team that has a power forward they can spare is Chicago, with Mirotic Pau and Gibson. But the first two they just acquired and I don't see them trading Gibson, not for our assets at least.
Love MAY be out of reach. But Morey is still trying to get him. The Rockets aren't going to give up on acquiring Love until he is traded.
It doesn't help that some of our biggest assets (ones ppl keep putting in all the trades) other than the pellies pick are Tjones and DMO, and no one is gonna trade a PF better than them for them..
Yeah I mean dmo isn't an asset. I've stated before he has no value; and jones is an ok piece to add to the NOP pick, ok, not great. The NOP pick is our biggest asset, and only one with real value. What's interesting is how it can increase or decrease in value as the season goes on.
Let me be clear. Not all non-contributing members are annoyances. Some of them have very good basketball commentary that I enjoy reading. But there is a certain segment of non-contributing members here that add nothing but disrespect and personal attacks. You can search through their post history and post after post is attack after attack. Very unproductive and a huge annoyance to posters that want to discuss Rockets basketball. That's who I am specifically addressing.
Terrence Jones can't shoot: Paul Millsap's 2013-2014 shot chart HERE Terrence Jone's 2013-2014 shot chart HERE Terrence Jones can't be an efficient shooter Data says Jones had the 5th highest eFG% among players in their 2nd years since 2004 He also had the 7th highest PER since 2004-2005 among 2nd year players A player can't learn to shoot over time Kevin Love's 3pt made/attempts/%: 08-09: 2/19/10.5% 09-10: 35/106/33% 10-11: 88/211/41.7% 11-12: 105/282/37.2% 12-13: 20/92/21.7% 13-14: 190/505/37.6% Channing Frye's 3pt made/attempts/%: 05-06: 3/9/33.3% 06-07: 3/18/16.7% 07-08: 3/10/30% 08-09: 11/33/33% 09-10: 172/392/43.9% 10-11: 171/439/39% 11-12: 91/263/34.6% 13-14: 160/432/37% Jones will probably never become elite and his defense needs serious work but the kid is improving and he's not THAT bad of a player according to stats.
He's got talent. And decent size. I just don't think he's a smart player and it would show greatly in pressure situations.
And we're getting BOTH Dragic and Love in one scoop? By trading Harden I guess? Get over yourself. We Are Not Trading Harden !
And I agree about him shrinking in pressure situations like last playoffs but he's still young and has shown some fire when he was doing well. Can he be a "cornerstone"? I doubt it but it's not out of the question for him to be a solid contributor.
