1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Cyberx, paging cyberx ....

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Jul 11, 2014.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. dc rock

    dc rock Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2001
    Messages:
    7,622
    Likes Received:
    13,385
    Would the Rockets be able to offer Dragic a fifth year next summer if they traded for him?
     
  2. JMAD21

    JMAD21 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,288
    Likes Received:
    870
    Then why would they have signed him? It makes ZERO sense to pay 3 PGs around 35mil per year. You guys obviously don't get that... It takes more than a ton of talent at one position to be a contender... It's redundant and doesn't help them to have three starting caliber PGs on one team. They're gonna lose Dragic to free agency next year, why wouldn't they trade him now and get something back? And why wait if you already have a replacement? It's not like Dragic defends 2's all that well either.

    And again, who's gonna offer more? Almost every team in the league is already set at PG, the ones who aren't are rebuilding and wouldn't want a guy like Dragic. Teams that would want Dragic would be teams that aren't looking to rebuild/tank, AND need a PG. Those teams are Houston, LAL, Miami, and Dallas, that's all I can think of. Can any of those teams top Houston's offer? I say no.

    So the only question is are the suns smart enough to do it? He may not be availible, but it doesn't mKe basketball sense to have Thomas at 7mil, Dragic at 7mil, and Bledsoe at atleast 12-13mil. It's redundant and doesn't help with other more important needs.
     
  3. try

    try Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2013
    Messages:
    186
    Likes Received:
    50
    Yes. His contract was signed in the summer of 2012, so he will have been under that contract for three years next summer, that qualifies him for the Larry Bird exception. As the new team inherits the Bird rights when the player is traded, the Rockets would have full Bird rights on Goran Dragic and thus would be allowed to offer him the fifth year as the only team.
     
    1 person likes this.
  4. JMAD21

    JMAD21 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,288
    Likes Received:
    870
    And like everyone else on this board, you guys are drastically underrating Jones. In his 1st ever playoff appearance he struggled against one of the best 4s in the league. That doesn't make him below average! He's still extreamily young and had a very good season last year and will only get better.
     
  5. JMAD21

    JMAD21 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,288
    Likes Received:
    870
    Not even close!

    They have their PG in Bledsoe. Dragic is gonna make more money than they'll want to pay him because like I JUST said, Bledsoe is gonna be their guy. Do y'all really not see how it makes sense to trade Dragic in order to fill out other positions?
     
  6. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    31,088
    Likes Received:
    48,659
    Your underselling our package.

    Jones is 22, on a rookie contract and has plenty of potential, Bass for 7 million is your below average PF your describing that doesn't have value.

    Capela is a first round pick in a loaded draft, Johnson a 2nd who raised his value in the summer league.

    Canaan's a nice prospect

    The pelicans pick is a lottery pick, very valuable.

    We can throw in our 2017 first if needed

    Beverley and Motiejunas should also be avaliable . We have the assetst to trade for a expiring Dragic.
     
  7. gaspar

    gaspar Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2010
    Messages:
    69
    Likes Received:
    5
    It's not redundant at all. The Suns don't view them as point guards, just guards. There's enough playing time for all of them to get 30+ mpg. You obviously don't get that.
     
  8. koby1868

    koby1868 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    622
    Likes Received:
    275
    It blows my mind that so many people are down on T. Jones. I personally think he will continue to grow and get better next to Howard.

    If we could some how manage to bring in Dragic as many of you think we are trying to do, I'd like to think that Morey will do everything possible to keep Jones in that deal. If not D-Mo looked nice in the summer league and continues to put in work. If he was smart he'd focus on nothing but defense.

    Dragic/Bev/Smith
    Harden/Daniels/Johnson
    Ariza/???
    Jones or D-Mo/Adrien
    Howard/Dorsey

    What we could offer a decent package of:

    Cannan
    Capela
    D-MO or T. Jones
    Pelican 1st rounder

    Makes sense to me.
     
  9. duluth111222

    duluth111222 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    3,913
    Likes Received:
    4,162
    You would rather? LOL. We'd be lucky to get just one of them.:rolleyes:
     
  10. Zoplicone

    Zoplicone Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    4,903
    Likes Received:
    3,863
    Dragic
    Is NOT
    getting traded to us
     
  11. JMAD21

    JMAD21 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,288
    Likes Received:
    870
    That's so stupid! I shouldn't get upset, you clearly just don't understand. And that's not your fault... You just don't know basketball very well. I'll try to explain one more time.

    The suns are an incomplete team right now. They have many needs. They just lost Channing Frye, they still have the Morris twins, but niether of them are good enough to start on a contender. They have Miles Plumlee at Center, he's a quality big, but again, shouldn't be a starter. With all those needs, do you really think it makes since to pay THREE point gourds around around 30mil per year? (I said 35 earlier, that's not accurate) Don't you think some of that money would be better spent on a Center, or a PF, or an actual SG?

    Now I understand dragics current salary doesn't tie them up necessarily. However, Bledsoe's gonna get near max, and Dragic is sure to want at least that next offseason when he opts out of his contract. Do you think the suns will theb decide to pay Dragic the same amount they're paying Bledsoe? If so then they now have two max PGs and another PG making 7mil. Does that still seem like a good idea?

    Or does it make more sense to decide which PG you see as a better long term fit (that seems to be Bledsoe) then trade the other so that you can fill other needs, while also not losing a good player for nothing in return?

    If that seems like a good idea to you, you now would have to see what the market is for the guy you want to trade. We are assuming that's Dragic. You guys keep saying that other teams can too our offer. Okay, I agree. But of those teams, which ones not only need a PG, but feel like they are ready to compete and are willing to give up valueble assets? The market for Dragic is narrowed down to teams that both need a PG and are in "win now" mode. The teams that fit those requirements I believe are Houston, Dallas, LAL, and Miami. Of those 4 teams we have the most to offer and it's not even close.

    Like I said earlier, they might not be shopping him. But they would be stupid not to if they do indeed signing Bledsoe long term.
     
  12. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    31,088
    Likes Received:
    48,659
    welp locker up fellas, the mighty Zopilcone has spoken.

    Zoplicone, what will the rockets do next? Will i ever get married? What are next weeks lotto numbers???
     
  13. Remii

    Remii Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Messages:
    7,622
    Likes Received:
    106
    Just because you like that package doesn't mean Phoenix will.
     
  14. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    31,088
    Likes Received:
    48,659
    Very true

    At the same time, just because you don't like it doesn't mean Phoenix won't either. Neither of us have inside info, but if your trust Plowman, Drew and the others, apparantly Pheonix is considering the deal.
     
  15. akeemshook

    akeemshook Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2014
    Messages:
    135
    Likes Received:
    9
    They do need higher quality bigs. But so do the Rockets.
     
  16. DREAM ON!

    DREAM ON! Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    1,394
    Likes Received:
    70
    Do not under estimate how cheap the Phoenix ownership is too
     
  17. Remii

    Remii Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Messages:
    7,622
    Likes Received:
    106
    I didn't say rather I liked the package or not, but I wouldn't trade both TJ and Clint for Dragic... But despite that, the Suns seem to need a SG or SF more so than a young power forward considering the fact that they already have two young PF's.
     
  18. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,153
    Likes Received:
    21,575
    Busty Morris and his brother Bustieff? Meh.
     
  19. bizzy045

    bizzy045 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2007
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    90
    somebody delete this damn thread..it's annoying as hell to see this garbage...if i see cyberx's name one more time..
     
  20. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    31,088
    Likes Received:
    48,659
    How about you just dont click on this thread.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page