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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Jul 11, 2014.

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  1. b2bizchina

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    I think OK!
    Pap& Dorsey for Chalmers and Birdman
     
  2. ROXTXIA

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    I told you....arguing with a drunk.
     
  3. count_dough-ku

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    I'm not making excuses. I've harped on Morey not prioritizing the PG position. But he still does have time to make a move. That being said, I am concerned that he's pretty much eliminated the ability to address the situation via free agency(after squandering the chance to deal with it at the draft) by sitting back and allowing seemingly every available PG commit to another team already. Ironically one of the only ones left on the market is Jason Terry who's our own free agent and needs to be retained if for no other reason than Bev's the only PG currently on the roster(plus he's a great locker room presence).

    So now we'll have to add a PG through a trade. The problem of course is that you're at the mercy of other teams and in some cases the player himself(see Goran Dragic). And even here, Morey is missing opportunities like Ray McCallum who just got picked up by the Spurs for a mere 2nd rounder. Like I said, he still has time. But the longer he waits, the fewer options are available heading into training camp. And then we're forced to wait til at least mid-December(when newly signed players are eligible to be dealt) or as late as mid-February for the trade deadline. And all bets are off at that point no matter how hard you're working those phones(again, see Goran Dragic).
     
  4. dobro1229

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    The Mavs recovered "Ok..." back a couple years ago when they lost out on Dwight and Deron, but really when we look back at it "Ok..." got them where exactly in the Western conference??

    This is also assuming recovering means signing someone as effective offensively as Monta Ellis (who they now vastly underrate how important he has been), Calderon, and then later trading for Tyson Chandler.

    Look at the free agents left. Monta Ellis isn't walking through those doors. Either way the Mavs are going to waste the last couple years of Dirks career fighting for a playoff spot or worse. By trying to be loyal to him, they've made him sacrifice more than half of his pay, made him play far too many regular season minutes, and put a mediocre team around him.... Its a shame because Dirk deserves better than that.
     
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    Not surprising at all. It's all about big money. Smith will help the Mavs, but not by much IMO.
     
  6. b2bizchina

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    Wait a minute! Cuban will sign Jordan Hill 24mm/2years
     
  7. MistaK

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    Yup, you were right!! :)
     
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    Great post not reapplying to the others, the thing is Other teams have not just one starting, they have a solid backup, & a young one in the fold for the future learning the system. 3 pgs

    We don't have not one, there is no excuses for that. People say oh we can't draft a pg he won't play. Did yall not watch championship games or if u were young did u not watch the documentary? jones, DMO all played in dleague and now help out. Oh a PG can't do that ?! This is one of the excuses I'm referring to they are well documented. Not from everybody but from most

    If he would've drafted one that's KNOWN for pg instincts a while back we would have something to look forward to at least.

    Then everyone saying trade, ok to give up more assets but that's just another example.
     
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    If the Mavs are desperate to compete for the playoffs, Kanter's probably their best option. If they make him an offer OKC won't match, it weakens the Thunder and improves Dallas, at least offensively. It's a dumb move for the long-term since the Mavs need to finally acknowledge it's time to blow it all up and start over(especially since they need to stink in order to keep their draft pick next year). But given Cuban's competitive nature, I think he'll resist the urge to tank.

    As for the Mavs signing Smith, that wouldn't surprise me at all. They have the money to offer, and Cuban would love to do it just to spite the Rockets. Again, he'd be hurting his own team in the long run since Smith could improve them just enough to keep them out of the top 7 lottery picks but won't make them a playoff team. But his hatred of the Rockets and Morey and his desire to share his pain with others could drive him to make that move.
     
  10. Rox>Mavs

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    Yeah I stoped trying to reason with that guy after I pinned him on a point he could never respond to.

    He's not here to talk and reason through current moves the rockets make or don't make. He's just here to grind an axe because he's ticked about not making the championship last year and places that responsibility squarely on DM.

    The guys a complete waste of screen space as far as I'm concerned now.
     
  11. MistaK

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    It's going to be easier to fill the hole through trades/FA than it is through the draft. The Rockets, by some accounts, tried to move up and they probably would have drafted a PG then (if they thought it was the BPA). BPA is the better strategy - you might end up with an all around better player that way.

    OPTION ONE: Say a guy like Dekker, who is probably more talented than any PG that was available at 18, turns out to be a solid contributor. Now you can trade away other players on the team to fill the hole at guard and you don't lose a beat.

    OPTION TWO: If you draft the BPA, chances are that other teams will be more interested in that unproven commodity. And exactly that will give you a better chance to trade for a player you need.

    Always keep the BIG PICTURE in mind!! This is not about patch work..you want to target the player that you feel can get you to that next level (you wanna find the right pieces, ideally at the right price)
     
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    Yeah, the lack of any playmaker at PG on this roster given how many are spread out through the NBA drives me nutz. The Suns have 2 solid ones in Bledsoe and Knight(and had 3 last season). The Thunder also have 2 in Westbrook and Augustin. The Pistons have 2 in Jennings and Jackson. The Spurs have Parker and Mills and just picked up McCallum. The Warriors have Curry, Livingston, and even Barbosa who can moonlight at PG. The Grizzlies have Conley, Udrih, and Calathes who also can moonlight at PG.

    I could go on, but you get the point(no pun intended). Meanwhile, here we are with one PG on the roster and he's not even a playmaker or reliable scorer. And it's not like this problem just reared its ugly head recently. Game 5 vs the Warriors was merely the culmination of neglecting the void at that position for so long. Once upon a time, we routinely had 2 reliable PGs on the roster. First, it was Alston and Brooks. Then Brooks and Lowry. Then Lowry and Dragic.

    At that point, Morey dealt Lowry for a first rounder from Toronto. No problem since that was part of the Harden deal. But he never replaced Lowry. And to add insult to injury, he allowed Dragic to walk that same summer and wound up overpaying Lin to take his place. Suddenly our PG rotation was Lin and Bev(and the opposite order the following year). Then Lin was dealt and replaced with Terry and occasionally Canaan(who was eventually replaced by Pepperoni). You can see how we've progressively gotten worse at this position in the last 3 years. And it's cost us dearly in the playoffs. When Harden doesn't have it going, the Rockets usually lose(see Portland in 2014 and Golden State in 2015).
     
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    Wait til he realizes he has to play the 5 80% of the time. I can't see Josh ending his career out of position on a bad team for a few more dollars. He has made his money. Not meaning he'll sign with us for sure, but surely he's going to play for a contender at least.
     
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    Time to get Luke Ridnour!!
     
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    Scoop the little guy up!
     
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    How did Ridnour do last year?
     
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    The problem is Dekker may never seen any playing time. The Rockets just handed Brewer a $24 million extension. He's the backup to Ariza at the 3. They're presumably interested in resigning Josh Smith. If they do, he'll be backing up D-Mo which means no minutes for Dekker at the 4. And if Smith bolts, that doesn't really matter since the Rockets will then likely hang onto T-Jones which again means no minutes for Dekker.

    I get what you're saying. Draft a guy. Develop him. Then you either have a solid rotation player or an asset in a possible trade. Clint Capela is a perfect example. The difference there is Capela filled a need the Rockets desperately had once they traded away Asik: backup center. Dekker is a 3 who can play the 4 if the Rockets go small. Well, we're absolutely loaded at those positions. Barring injuries or a ton of blowout victories, he'll never see the court. And if the Rockets do get hit by a rash of injuries, they won't have the luxury of trading Dekker.

    I just wish I knew what Morey's plan was for the PG situation or if he even has one to begin with. What confuses the hell outta me is that the last 2 seasons, he's actually weakened the Rockets at that position at the trade deadline. He dealt away Brooks 2 years ago for Jordan Hamilton who played a different position and wound up rotting on the bench. Then last year, he dealt Canaan and replaced him with the ancient Pepperoni. Oh and BTW, Bev then got injured at the end of both seasons.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard">@Chris_Broussard</a> that's is the dumbest **** Ive ever heard. If you had any ethics u would msg me and I will give u his address</p>&mdash; Mark Cuban (@mcuban) <a href="https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/619143560357502976">July 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    dissapointing to see about scola. So uijiri thinks that small ball and scola should fill the enormous hole at the 4? lol

    The Mavs at this point have few options left. Offering Smith a good but not huge contract is one of them. As an investment. Hope he smh makes up his value and then trade him later at the deadline. But not one year contract , 2-3 years 7-8 mil. With the new market thats not so bad.

    I guess Collison now it's not an option for the Rockets :( overestimated the Kings stupidity.
     
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