Wait a minute. You think a team will value him as a Taj Gibson type player but you also think he has no skills and will struggle to stay in the league? Those two things don't compute. Will you just admit you misjudged him? It happens holic, everyone misjudges players. I misjudged Josh Smith. I can admit it. You should just admit it. It doesn't mean Terrence _ones is a star, but you can at least admit he's better than you thought.
To put into perspective by BBHollic's terms.... if Jones stays in the league "a couple of years" past his rookie deal, and assuming by "A couple" he mean just two that would equal 7 years in the NBA if the Rockets or whatever team picked up his QO the final year. If not it would be 6. The NBA average for years played is 4.8 seasons. So by definition of "long term" Jones would still be in the league at a "better than average" length. All this being... this is one of the dumbest arguments I've engaged in responding to in my time on the GARM... which is saying alot even for a typical Jopat rant.
No. That's not what I think nor what I've said. I've said he cannot shoot the basketball from anywhere outside of the rim area. I've never said he didn't have skills. Read my posts. I have acknowledged long, long ago that he has one of the best handles in transition of all the PFs in the league. I can't admit anything that I don't believe. Terrence IS NOT better than what I thought. Right now, Terrence is playing as well as he can possibly play given his skill set. I have never thought nor stated he couldn't play this good. He's playing great in his ROLE at present. So, he's not better than what I've thought. What I think and have stated over and over again is he could be replaced by a number of players in this league (players like Ed Davis, Reggie Evans, etc.) and we wouldn't miss a lick. I don't think he's unique. I think he's a sleightly under-sized young PF with athleticism who can finish well (I can say that about many PFs in the NBA). Yes, I do think some team out there could possibly sign Jones thinking he's the next Taj Gibson player. But they would be duped if they did that. He's not Taj and up to this point isn't able to carry Taj's jock strap defensively. But there are Sacramento's and Brooklyn's out there who will float him a 4-year deal...thinking he is.
All of this is gonna make it difficult to choose among our power forwards, starting this summer. Who to keep, who to trade. Terrence Jones was solidly on the trade block, I'm sure, but the way he's kicking "A" and taking no prisoners.... Gives us some excellent options at upgrading the roster somewhere. I'd just hate to see any of them go (Dmo, Josh, Terrence) but should Dwight return even semi-healthy, we might wind up one quality big too many.
In the post-game interview, McHale said the guys were still not executing our endgame offense properly. Harden is holding on to the ball too long, and the bigs are not making strong moves. Harden should move the ball earlier in the shotclock and the big either attacks or passes it to the corners. We need to get into the play earlier in the shotclock. So now I see why we keep running that DMo pass to the corners plays even when DMo is open and could make a post-move.
to put it in my terms, Jones is already in his 3rd season. Long-term means from now forward. If Jones were a restricted free agent today and got offered a 4-year deal from another team for $20 million.....I think Morey lets him walk. Morey traded Patterson rather than letting him walk the same way. Because he couldn't afford to have Patterson clogging the cap if a max free agent wanted to come here. UNTIL we get our 3rd superstar....we aren't going to pay guys like Jones long-term deals at inflated dollars that they could very well underperform to stay here. it's just that simple.
I agree, but both DMo and TJ shrunk in the play offs last year. I imagine which ever of the three shows up in the post season will be the one kept. Glad we have options.
Jopat thinks Morey values DMo more than TJ but McHale values TJ more than DMo. TJ gets to finish games because of his rebounding and hustle and energy and put backs. In fact McHale has been going with TJ and Smith to finish off close games. That's a good testament to someone who will be "out of the league" SOON.
I agree with a lot of this. As long as Tjones doesn't have a jumper, which he certainly does not, he can be replaced. His energy and how he's bought into our system does give him more value than an Ed Davis, so give him credit for that. But he's not a starting 4 for a championship contender. I'm perfectly fine with having him on the team though.
Haha. Yeah that's harsh. Basketballholic, give the dude more credit. There are a lot of PFs better than him (griffin Ibaka zbo Duncan Draymond dirk Aldridge Davis taj Pau love bosh west millsap Horford ) I just listed those quickly without thinking about it, I'm sure there are atleast another 5 or more better, which means he's not in the top 20 in the league.
Ouch. I'm just saying Tjones isn't great. Not ragging on him But you're tough, with your name calling, so please, don't hurt me
Geez... what are we still back in 2013 or something? 3rd superstar.... ugh... The fact that Morey was trying to trade for Goran Dragic (great player but not a superstar) tells you that they aren't thinking roster building in terms of "Big 3" superstar non-sense anymore. I thought we have moved on from that. Besides that point... Jones and D-Mo ARE NOT free agents and have another year locked up, and potentially a QO year after that one if things go sour on an extension and they don't want to be restricted. There are ZERO reasons for Morey to have felt pressure, or felt any reasoning behind trading either guy from November of 2012 until February of 2016 unless its to significantly upgrade the team especially as it relates to RISK involving Jones receiving too high an offer in free agency to hold onto him after his rookie deal. Your campaign to trade Jones ASAP is the most ridiculous thing to hit the GARM in the past however many years. Its a hilarious calamity. The sun will still rise in the East and Set in the West if Jones and D-Mo are Rockets in February of 2015. He's not a ticking time bomb that will explode the Toyota Center if not traded ASAP. If Morey can retain both player in RFA after next year at a rate that makes them both quality value players (can say the same about any non-superstars) than I have full confidence he will bring BOTH ....yes.... BOTH players back. I think we have seen full evidence that the front court of D-Mo & Jones.... with the right pieces around the perimeter are fully capable of being a quality front court pairing after the Dwight Howard years... IF D-Mo can improve as a rebounder that is. Oh, and you should check out Clutch's Pod from this morning. MK and Clutch themselves are pretty far along in their perspective that when Dwight Howard does come back, there is significant risk for D-Mo actually losing his starting job to Jones once again. If the past couple weeks in Jones' return, and Dwights absence has taught us anything it should be that the continued play and development of BOTH Jones and D-Mo will potentially be make or break for the James Harden years past Dwight's prime. I think there is potential there for Dwight to leave the team even (I don't hope or think that is going to happen but just in case), and James Harden still have the pieces around him to keep this team in contender status. Moving Jones for some stupid reason revolving around contracts offers in free agency in the Summer of 2016 is ..... well lets just say "not smart" and leave it at that. Lets move on from the Jones' bashing for a split second please. Give it a rest for a day. Just 24 hours... please for the love of God.
4 years, 20 million?? Talk about undervalue. Sometimes I wonder if you were the "homeless" person that Tjones stomped in Portland. Your disdain for the dude is legendary. If Tjones' health is okay, he'll get offered much more. Morey can always sign now, trade later, if it came to that.
