BimaThug in your opinion what would be the ideal deal that Morey is more likely to pull off since some contracts make it hard to make a deal? I believe Morey will make a deal but like in years past it will be for someone not highly mentioned on the BBS.
HOU In: Martin, Rubio MIN In: Terry (using Love TPE), Papa (using Brewer TPE), TJones, Canaan ORL In: Shved Just the salary. I didn't include the picks that would almost certainly be involved.
How does the salary work? Rubio signed an extension. As I have asked BBH in the past, how can this be possibly made to work even if both parties were so inclined??? And the brighter Bima asked it better.
Yes. It can work. In this case, it actually seems to work fairly easily. The thing with poison pills is that you just have to look at the trade separately from both sides. Instead of the typical, "Rockets get X salary, therefore they must trade away between X/1.5~X*1.5 salary to match." From Minnesota's perspective, they're trading away $11.8mil(Rubio 5, Martin 6.8). For the Rockets, they're taking in $17.4mil(Rubio's averaged 5 year salary is $10.6mil). So the Rockets have to trade away $11.6mil to work. And it cannot exceed $17.7mil. In some cases it's difficult to work. For example Kyrie Irving's extension makes it a difference of like $8mil between his worth to the Cavs and to the team getting him. But here, I think it works cap wise. Still doesn't work real-life wise IMO.
Sorry, just saw that Rubio signed a bigger extension that I thought previously. So the math is slightly harder as we have to send out an extra ~$2mil in salary. Still, it's something like Papa, Terry, Shved. and fillers.
Rubio isn't getting traded. He fits well with Wiggins is only 24(?) and is part of their young core( which doesn't look so good) and the only asset of interest Morey has to trade to them would be T.Jones. If Minny was interested in picks Flip would just have kept the Miami pick and commit to the rebuild. They have no interest to shed his contract with how many rookies they have. What about Jrue Holiday? He seems to have been made more redudant with how they play lately.
Not bad salary-matching there. However, you still have to deal with the issues of (1) what pick(s) you'd have to give Orlando to take on Shved's deal (let alone which picks are going to Minnesota) and (2) compensating Minnesota for having to waive at least 2 of its current players to absorb all of those Rockets coming in. Not so fast there. It's not that easy. First off, that trade would catapult the Rockets over the luxury tax threshold, meaning that any the Rockets can only take in up to 125% (plus $100k) of outgoing salary. Also, even if the Rockets weren't subject to the "tax team" salary-matching rules, trading numbers in those ranges would otherwise be subject to the "outgoing salary, plus $5 million" matching rule, not the "150% (plus $100k)" matching rule.
Most of us are making too big a deal of PPP. I simply do not agree with you that it is "extraordinarily difficult under the cap". Firstly, in our case, we COULD still use the 150% + $100,000 rule to acquire Rubio because his current actual salary is what is counted against the luxury tax for purposes of being able to use the 150% + $100,000 rule. Rubio's salary for incoming purposes, because of his PPP status is his current season's salary ($4,660,479) plus the total salary of his extension ($55 million) divided by 5 (the number of total seasons he is under contract for including the current season). $59,660,479/5 = $11,932,095.80 Therefore $11,932,095.80 is Rubio's incoming salary in a trade and his outgoing salary on Minnesota's end is just the $4,660,479 for this season. Now remember on our end we can use the 150% + $100,000 rule as long as after the trade is done we are not over the luxury tax. Well, in Rubio's case, we won't be over the tax because his actual salary ($4,660,479) is lower than the salary we would be required to send out to acquire him. So, reversing the math: ($11,932,095.80 - $100,000)/1.5 = $7,888,063.87. We need $7,888,063.87 in outgoing salary to trade for Rubio. And in a direct trade with Minnesota (without using their TPE's) they will need to add salary to Rubio to be able to take on $7.89 million in incoming salary. So, let's throw in Robbie Hummel's $800,000 on top of ,Rubio's $4,660,479. That gives us $5,540,479. Multiply by 1.5 and add $100,000 and you get $8,410,718.50 in salary they can take back if they trade out Rubio and Hummel. But wait....scrap all that. Minnesota has 3 trade exceptions to work with: 1. Love TPE of $6.3 million 2. Brewer TPE of $4.7 million 3. Turiaf TPE of $1.5 million. So, on Minny's end...those TPE's combined with Mo Williams, Hummel, and other contracts they WANT to move like Martin and Budinger is more than enough flexibility for them to complete a whole myriad of different deals. So the problem isn't on Minny's end at all. It's simply on our end. How can we make a deal work? And there's a myriad of different trades that could easily be worked. I'm going to throw one trade out there. I'm not saying this is going to happen. I'm simply giving you ONE EXAMPLE of MANY POSSIBILITIES THAT EXIST in being able to trade for Rubio: Detroit sends out Jerebko, Joel Anthony, Dinwiddie, future first or second. Detroit receives Trevor Ariza and Alexey Shved, Daniels Trade works using 150% + $100,000 rule Jerebko is already on the block. Detroit needs help at the wing (and now backing up Augustine so this particular trade may have to be adjusted somewhat to reflect Dinwiddie staying). And Ariza makes a lot of sense for them in tandem with Singler, Butler, KCP, and Meeks) Minny sends out Rubio, Kevin Martin, Hummel, Daniels. Minny receives Kostas, Dinwiddie, Capela, Jerebko, picks. Trade works and leaves Minny with more TPE's, several youngsters including a big and a pg, and the Pels pick, etc. Houston sends out Ariza, Kostas, Shved, Capela, picks Houston receives Rubio, Martin, Anthony, Hummel Houston gets Rubio but has to swallow Martin to do it and give up some picks and young assets. (So acquiring Rubio does have a price. Hopefully we could find a team to slough Martin off on, if not at the deadline perhaps in the off season) Trade is broken down into 2 or 3 trades: 1. Kostas/Shved/picks for Rubio. (Using the 150% + $100,000 rule. We would be still under the luxury tax after this trade. See above) 2. Ariza/Capela for Martin and Anthony. (125% + $100,000 rule.) 3. Hummel into the Daniels TPE. $1.7 million TPE created for us to use later. This is just one of a myriad of examples of trades that can be put together to acquire Rubio. The reason why we should consider trading for Martin in a Rubio deal is because that might be part of the "cost" of acquiring Rubio. And if not Martin then for sure Budinger. But the point remains there's a number of ways to skin this cat. EDIT: I realize many posters are going to puke at the idea of trading for Rubio and trading out Ariza. This is just one example of a trade. We could put together other possibilities using other contracts than Ariza. I happen to believe that Ariza is not the 3rd superstar and we need a 3rd superstar and maybe even a 4th star that is better than Ariza in order to win a championship. So I think there is a real possibility Ariza is traded in the right deal. This might not be the right deal for many of you. But that's not the point. I'm simply illustrating how a trade can be put together for Rubio despite him being PPP. It's not that difficult to do the math. The difficult part will be getting Minny to turn loose of Rubio. If I were them ...... I wouldn't trade him. But.....I happen to know that Rubio is not Flip's ideal point guard. Flip wants a PG that is both a scorer and distributor. So...under the right circumstances Rubio could be available.
Duh. Dragic will go where he will get the most money and gets to run the point. That is a large reason why he would possibly be available, and why I would not worry about the Rockets resigning him if the Rockets offered the max. The Suns need to retain more flexibility than the Rockets, and that is why I do not think they will offer him the max.
SVG would never trade the first in the middle of the rebuild when they are in the lottery and I'm not sure what his incentive would be to take on Ariza either. Ariza won't make any difference to help them pass Charlotte and get in the POs. Maybe Chicago is interested in Ariza. You can have them send the Sacramento pick and MacDermot? But they are also contenders and it will help them too much to fill their hole.
If there is no buyer for IT (probably wont) by near the deadline maybe they decide to sell Bledsoe. IF Rockets manage to trade him there is no danger to resign him back because they will have his bird rights but Suns are fully aware that by not trading him now they take Rockets completely out of the Dragic market. And the only ones left are 3-4 teams ,two of them being a dumpster fire (LA,NY)
