It's not just about two of them INDIVIDUALLY, and instead it's about the TEAM. Whoever makes a good complement to the team and esp. Yao should be kept in a Rox uniform. Remember the main problem of this team is the team effort but not individual ability. BTW, I did pick Francis anyways.
actually we had answers t all your points. Your only point was Mobleys 2pt% That was easy to overcome.
No, it isn't. PG-Mobley SG-Posey SF-Rice PF-Brand C-Yao is not near PG-Crawford SG-Francis SF-Posey PF-Griffin C-Yao
You don't start Mobley at PG, you trade Eddie Griffin for a decent PG like a Brent Barry, or even a rookie like Luke Ridnour or TJ Ford. So yes, I would rather have: 1 - Barry 2 - Mobley 3 - Posey 4 - Brand 5 - Yao than 1 - Crawford 2 - Francis 3 - Posey 4 - Griffin 5 - Yao
That's not the question of this thread. You can't assume they can get another player for Griffin, you can only assume what the thread says. Try that on for size. Also, dream on about trading Griffin for an above average PG, draftee or not.
I must have missed the part where you showed any evidence that Francis would be a better 2 guard than Mobley. I showed that Mobley is a better shooter and defender. Your response is that Francis gets more assists and rebounds and was voted to the all-star team. Neither of which have anything to do with my points. Unless you considering dismissing my points as overcoming them.
I see Francis still on our team next season but one must consider the alternative possibility. Francis is a problem for this team, he is a great athlete and scorer but as a Point Guard he cant pass very well, he cant playmake and he seldom plays defence. If he moves to the two guard , he is small with poor defence and he still will want the ball in his hands. Mobley is a problem because he hates to pass and takes too many low percentage wild shots. The new Coach might have something to say about all of this. He may want to keep both of them, insisting they change their mind set and game.
You really don't get this point? Mobley in his career shooting year(.390 from the arc) scored all of 1 tenth more of a point per game than a Steve Francis suffering through a migraine filled year. Not mentioning Steve had more rebounds. I can argue that francis had a better all around year pretty easily. And this is at a point when to this point in their careers Francis had his worst year as a pro and mobley his best. What is so hard to understand? I see your point after some statistical analysis, but 3 pointers do count, whether you want them to or not, and should be factored into ones shooting percentage. I'll concede your point btw, but Steve is still the better all around player, its not as if he's an Iverson esque shooter. Finally I still think we have to factor in how a player scores their points. Mobley unless he becomes strictly a cutter/spot up 3 pt shooter is not conducive to being a top option on a winning team. Iso ball won't win many games. Francis scores his a lot more in the flow of the offense. He does go one on one from time to time, but not to the extent Cuttino does. I still think all things considered mobley is a decent sg or excellent 6th man scorer, while Francis is a 1/2 option on a winning team.
The reason I factored them out is because a higher percentage of Cat's shots are three pointers by design. It just helps to illustrate that he shoots noticeably better. I don't want him just ISOing either, as the zone has drastically reduced the effectiveness of that play, but I would like to see more picks for him and I think he is a very good option for the two man game with Yao.
What a thread! emmmm and: Duncan or Madsen Adelman or Popovich (better, any other or Popovich) Britney - C.Aguilera (and blonde) V. Gundy - Rudy Tierre - Moochie Nachbar - Rice Spurs - Nets Steve smith - Bowen THE FIRST! Cuttino is an 7 francis a 9.5
If I remember correctly The last time Mobley started @ the point we were in the playoffs. Steve has been his successor for the past 4 years and nothing . So why all the hatred for Cat? Also, why is Steve proclaimed a superstar when he hasn't led us anywhere . He may be more marketable(a category Yao is better than him at now) but until we make it to the playoffs and advance he is nothing more than a solid starter. Mobley sacrificed his scoring this year -spoting up for threes and coming off screens in our new motion offense that Steve couldn't run. If all of you agree Steve is the worst defender out of our starting five @ the point, how do you think he will fair for 82 games a year against taller more arthletic players @ the 2. Mobley is a more coachable player and the acknowledged better defender. Now having said all that I would keep the team as is but if 20games into the season we are below .500 I think the better trade option would be: Steve and Griffin for...
If I also remember correctly, the Rockets had a healthy Barkley, Pippen, and year younger-healthier Dream....right? And where was this "great PG/player" Mobley when he was forced to be "the man" last year b/c Francis was either out or playing with migraines the whole season??? I really didn't want to reply in this thread b/c I hate contributing to stupidity (which is what subject of this thread stems from). *Not a shot @ u silentfan -- I don't know u -- just ur thought on this "Francis or Mobley" subject* FLAGRANT1 and to all it applies, a scenario for you: You are running TEAM A and Francis is on the squad. You want to make a trade for Mobley who plays for TEAM B. You mean to tell me you could go into a meeting with the GM/Owner of Team B proposing a deal of Francis-for-Mobley straight-up and 1, not get laughed out of the room and/or 2, actually get hesitation on their part b/c in what their words would be according to some of you guys' logic "Mobley is better or @ least equal?" Wow. ...Is that you Carl Everett? Neil Armstrong still didn't walk on the moon, right? *lol* And Dinosaurs never existed? Look, come up with all the misleading stats you want, any current GM/B-ball scout/exec. would take Francis over Mobley in a landslide. But, hey, trade Francis and make Mobley your PG to play with Yao...remember, though, deals that work on NBA Live doesn't mean they'll work in the real NBA.
Has Mobley ever had a triple double. Has Mobley ever had a 44 point 11 assist game. Do any of you honestly believe he has that type of game in him? This debate is ridiculous.
And a similar majority of people wanted us to draft Baby Jodan instead of Robert Horry too. This is an unfortunate thread because most people misunderstood the premise. It wasn't whether Mobley or Francis is better--of course Francis is better. The question is which one to trade--given what each player could fetch in the open market. If you trade Francis you can get a player in the top 6-15 in the league--not a league MVP type player, but pretty much everyone else. Think of it this way: Is? Yao + Brand or JOneal + Mobley a better nucleaus to build a team around than Yao + Francis + Alvin Williams/Derrick Anderson Personally, I like the first group better, thus given equitable trades we should keep Mobley. But I also don't mind if Franics has a year with JVG to see if he becomes a more disciplined team oriented player--plus Steve would be a lot easier to trade after next offseason if we decide we should.
