Why do you keep on saying Mobley is a better shooter!!!! He is so inconsistant!!!! Francis is better in every aspect except defense, even that Francis can get better at because he is quicker.
The fact that when they take shots of equal difficulty, Mobley makes more of them than Francis. It is the only way that I have to determine who is the better shooter. I guess it isn't as accurate as your gut feelings or whatever you are using to determine that Steve is the better shooter though.
Okay its not a gut feeling. I saw atleast 60 rocket games this season. I saw Francis put the ball in the hole more than mobley puts the ball in the hole. Why does everyone on the team depend on Steve for those clutch 3 pt shots!!! Becasue steve makes them. Not Mobley. I see Francis making those impposible fadaway in your face shots more than Mobley.
Mobley has made many clutch 3's in his Rockets tenure. Steve puts the ball in the hole more time because he shoots more times, ands because a higher percentage of his shots are inside the arc (by design of the coaches). On any random 2 point shot, Mobley has a better chance of making it than Francis. This isn't my opiniom, it isn't something I just came up with off my recollections from the game, or a feeling, or anything else. It is fact, indisputable fact. Numbers don't lie.
heypartner is right. Id trade steve too. the question really is,if you could trade equal value,and francis for brand,and mobley would net you a Fizor mobley/brand > francis/fizor btw, look at shooting %,I think mobley for his career is actually better than steve,plus better defender,taller,less ego,better contract.
I agree with the way HeyP explained it. If you deal Francis and even though you can only take back 5mill, you can get alot more than if you deal mobley and his 5 mill. Its like this: Francis-5mill Rice-8mill ------------------- 13mill Thats a max type player which would be of the franchise type or very ,very good player. That could be J'Oneal,Brand, or someone of that nature sign and trade. If you substitute Mobley for Francis you wouldn't get the same thing even though the salaries are the same. Thats the point. If I could dump Mo Taylor and his 8 mill with Francis for a sign and trade for J'Oneal, I would do it and I'm sure most will except for Indy unless they O'Neal forced their hand. The chance at getting a 24yr old double double big man for a 26yr old all star tweener and a underacheiving 4 would be ideal. If you sub Mobley for Francis, you couldn't get J'Oneal. Believe it or not, the Rockets have some players other teams want, but most will have to be packaged together. Its a matter of if they really would want to do it. I would trade anyone on the Rockets except Ming for the right players and not just star players. This team could be retooled real fast if it had to be,but it wouldn't be the most popular or stable as people would like. I mean J'Kidd has been traded 2 times as well as Marbury. Ray Allen has been traded so did Mourning in his prime. Barkley was traded 2 times as well. Very few trades give each team equal value, but with the rockets and the way it is now, it could happen like Kidd for Marbury trade or Payton for Allen trade.
Here's something that most of you will immediately dispute because you're too much of a "dumbass" to understand the math. I can't believe I'm even doing this because Cat and Steve are so statistically even when it comes to scoring that this is a ridiculous exercise....and I've pointed this out before. All basketball player's shots are worth either one two or three points each whether it be a free throw, a regular field goal, or a three point field goal. That may sound obvious to many, but I feel I need to make sure with this crowd. Each player has a statistical average for each of the three types of shots--these being a ratio of the attempts made to total attempts. You cannot however, take an average of their three averages to come up with an overall scoring ability average because each shot is weighted differently. For instance, someone who only shoots three pointers at a 33.33% clip is the equivilant of a player who shoots only regular field goals at a continual 50% clip. Each of them will average 1 point for every shot attempt. Therefore, to see how efficient a player is in his shooting, you have to take a weighted average of all of their shot attempts. To do this, you simply multiply each of the three averages by their corresponding shot's value (1,2 or 3), then you multiply each of those numbers by the percentage of the corresponding shot's attempts relative to the total of all shot attempts. Add the three resulting numbers, and you can tell what a player averages each time he heaves the ball up....whether it be for a field goal, a three pointer, or a free throw. If you do this, you'll see that Francis statistically averages 0.872369 points per shot attempt while Mobley averages 0.902264 points for shot attempt. Although their three individual averages are much closer than this, their shooting efficiency ratings are skewed towards Mobley because he takes more three point attempts relative to the whole than Francis. In fact, he takes and makes more than Francis period. Three pointers count more.....it's as simple as that. Statistically, Mobley is a more efficient scorer than Francis. Statistically, the SMART money wants the ball in Mobley's hands for the average shot. But Francis is a better rebounder, so we pay him two and a half times as much.
If we could trade Francis for Brand I would want to keep Mobley. The reason is that Brand will contribute to a much improved team game. Francis is a poor team player. On the otherhand Francis is one of the best Players in the NBA and has potential if he responds to coaching. Mobley is a black hole and doesn't play the team game, but with coaching might improve. They both have had 4 years together on the court and you know the rest........... After Francis for Brand I would want to trade Mo Taylor and Mobley to Miami for their #5 pick T J Ford and Jones. If they would take Rice and Moochie, as well then I would accept Grant. GUARDS Ford,AN Other,Jones,Posey FORWARDS Griffin,Morris,Nachbar,Brand,Grant CENTERS Yao Ming,Cato Just an idea!
You've gotta be kidding me with statistical analysis. Steve Francis is simply a better player than Mobley. It's called carrying a larger load, and therefore shooting at a lower percentage. He is more explosive and definitely has more potential that can be tapped if a coach knows how to use him correctly. Also, trading Steve Francis for Elton Brand just leaves you without a player that can even attempt to play PG. Steve Francis is a better player than Elton Brand, and he has no reason to be traded for someone of his caliber. Please, rid me of this Marcus "Fizor" bull****. Cuttino Mobley would net you much more than Marcus Fizer.
Pole you are missing the POINT. Its got nothing to do with numbers or percentages. Its about being able to contribute to the team game and the development of Yao Ming. The consideration in this POLL has come about because last season it became obvious that Mobley and Steve Francis were not playing the team Game very well!!
Actually I don't see it as however has more points is better but I see it as however is a better leader, who makes wiser decisions, and who gets their teamates involved! For Example this is going to sound stupid but Jason Kidd is what I mean is if you look at his stats you don't see a lot of points or a lot of shots taken etc... but he only averaged (regulqar season) 18.7 pts(didn't Mobley average like a point or 2 less?), 6.3 rbs (Didn't Eddie average almost the same),and 8.9 ast. You don't need big statistic numbers but you need to be there when your team needs you!!
No Yetti....you're missing the point. So many people here think Francis is a shorter MJ and Mobley is a CBA scrub. The fact is, they're just about clones of each other. Only difference is that one of them counts a WHOLE HELL OF A LOT LESS against our salary cap. If you want to think Francis is better than Mobley...that's great. I think that too. But I think the people who think Francis is two and a half times better are the real dumbasses. And that's what Francis costs us against the salary cap.....two and a half times what Mobley does.
acutally most people here wanna shoot Francis... Well thats what i see most of the time. Francis statisticly almost the same as Mobley... Your kiddn. Francis has oscar robinson numbers while Mobley has the average sg numbers. And averaging 21 points is not simmilar to 17 pts per game. Francis also at the edn of the season was becoming a les of a "ball hog" putting down his attemps down to 13 per game. Francis atleast should be taking 20+ shots.
I'd rather trade Steve. He can get us A LOT more in return- an Elton Brand or maybe Jason Kidd. And Cuttino is not as good as Steve, but Cuttino has fewers big flaws in his game, IMO. Cuttino has good D, can run the break well, and isn't playing out of position. It's a negative for Steve on all 3 counts.
Why? does his shooting percentage warrant it? If so, Mobley should be getting 21+ a game....as long as he continues to shoot (and make) more from behind the arc. And you actually want to bring up the fact that Francis scores more? You do realize WHY Francis has the ability to shoot more, don't you? He does seem to have the ball in his hand more often.....I wonder why that is.....
