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Crispee:

I was under the impression that prior to this season, retaining possession was treated as a NEW possession. That would explain it not being listed as one of the 7 "other" reasons why the shot clock would be reset.

 

<i> Where is this ruling of yours that says that there is one case where the shot clock does not run when the game clock is running?</i>

Do you also think that the shot clock runs on the opening tip (prior to one team gaining possession)? Of course it doesn't, that's because it only runs when a team has possession. It makes no sense otherwise.

<i>Where does it say anywhere that the clock doesn't start until the offense gains possession?</i>
In Section II, item a) of davo's link:
"The 24-second clock will start when a team gains new possession of a ball which is in play"


<i>Also, there are other sites that explain that the purpose of all the new rules was to cause more scoring, and one set of changes was to give the offense more possessions, more time, not less. Your suggestion is that it was less time--14 sec reset going down from 24. Your link is highly questionable when it says the the Old Rule was a 24-sec reset, in light of that history link.</i>

Highly questionalble, huh? Ok, here's some more.

<b>An old Patricia Bender page:</b>

7. If the offense retains possession on a jump ball, the shot clock is
not reset if more than 14 seconds are on the clock or it is reset
to 14 seconds if less than 14 seconds are on the clock. [Was reset
to 24 seconds.]

http://www.nationwide.net/~patricia/nba-daily/older/00-01/scores8-15.txt


Resetting the shot clock after a jump ball
New Rule: If the offense retains possession after a jump ball, the clock is reset to 14 seconds or remains the same if there are more than 14 seconds on the clock. If the defense gains possession, the clock is reset to 24 seconds. (Old rule: If the offense retained possession, the clock was reset to 24 seconds.)
http://www.nba2k.4mg.com/whats_new.html


<b>Houston Chronicle 8/16/00</b>

After jump balls, if the offense retains possession, the clock is reset to 14 seconds or remains the same if there are more than 14 seconds on the clock. If the defense gains possession, the clock is reset to 24 seconds. Previously, if the offense retained possession, the clock was reset to 24 seconds
http://www.chron.com/content/archiv...t=&type=&user=houston&sview=1&hview=2&dview=1

<b>Houston Chronicle 10/31/99</b>

Resetting the shot clock to 14 seconds instead of 24 on certain stoppages of play in the frontcourt - personal fouls that do not result in free throws, kicked and punched balls and a team's first illegal defense violation. On such plays, the shot clock will be reset to the time remaining or 14 seconds, whichever is greater.

http://www.chron.com/content/archiv...t=&type=&user=houston&sview=1&hview=2&dview=1

<i>imso, there was never a reset on jump ball before the recent rules change. College never had that when they had jump balls and International does not have that rule</I>

That is incorrect. Here's the FIBA language:

The 24-second operator shall operate the 24-second device so that it shall be:

Started or restarted as soon as a player gains control of alive ball on the court. <b>Stopped and reset to 24 seconds</b> with no display visible as soon as:

<b>An official blows his whistle for</b> a foul, <b>jump ball</b> or violation, but not for an out-of-bounds when the team that previously
had control of the ball is awarded a throw-in.

 

concur wuth Aelliot on the international ruling Shot clock gets reset all the way to 24 on a jump ball

 

aelliott,

Down boy, down.

Nice aelliott...ask for clarification of my interpretation, then rip me apart when I give it to you. What kind of dialogue is that? You ask...do you believe this? I said, yes, but I could be wrong? Exactly how hard was it to understand my assumption that a jump ball didn't reset immediately?

I said I could be wrong about the timing of the reset, as we started our conversation. And you said, "if I had to guess," and you offerred your position. At that point, we are trying to understand each others guesses, no? The only reason I kept talking was to explain my position, and to see if anyone else but me would admit to not knowing the rule. I never said I was right. I said here's a solution aelliott...let's just watch what happens next, then we'll know.

I wasn't trying to prove anything, rather just answering your questions. I guess my "your link is highly questionable" sounded offensive. It is not intended as that, as we all now the media gets things wrong, and bad stuff can spread to other news services...like ESPN and NBA.com saying the Rockets have just reached .500. I wasn't questioning your "sources," so to speak. Down boy, down.

<b>There really is a conversation out there</b>

I just want to know if people remember the old ruling like I do, and did you know the new one.

You must admit that the nba.com 1999 ruling I listed is much more confusing than the FIBA ruling you listed. So, the current FIBA rules come straight out and explains everything right? "On whistle for a jump ball," there is a reset. (So, a smart offensive player cornered with time running out could hold out the ball for a jump and reset. Weird rule. To me, it is a weird rule, but I digress.)

And I remember shot clocks going off on jump balls...maybe I'm totally wrong. How many times do I have to say it?

What about the 1999 NBA rules at nba.com? At that time, they were supposed to be the same as what FIBA states, right? Is it just poorly written that they don't say "jump ball" in 1999, yet they say something so obvious like "change of possession" as the #1 reason to reset a clock.

They mention "team control ends" on: fga, dead ball, and opponents gains possession. A jump ball is a dead ball as well as everything listed in their reasons for resetting. Losing possession is listed. Everything is listed in the rules, except jump ball.

imo, when I say that I didn't know the rule change when davo pointed it out in another thread, and further said "I could be wrong," concerning the reset timing with you, then why tell me I'm wrong. Maybe try to understand why I'm talking. I wanted to know how many people knew that rule, because I certainly remember the rules differently in previous years.

Oh, and nice not looking up the international rulings when I first ask for help finding them, but later looking it up to prove me wrong, when I incorrectly looked at FIBA's "Rule Interpretation" links rather than the real 90-page rule book, that you cited. sheesh...join into threads anytime you want to correct mistakes...aelliott, but don't do Internet searches to help someone who asked.

 

CP,

I don't believe that I ripped you apart. All I did was present evidence to support what I was saying. I understand your point, but it doesn't make sense to me. I was simply pointing that out.

As for the FIBA stuff, I didn't look it up, I just happened across it when I was trying to find stuff on the shot clock.

Next home game, watch the shot clock and let me know what it says.