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CUT CARMELO TOMORROW???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TheRealist137, Oct 30, 2018.

  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    Melo isn't doing anything wrong or unexpected. He should have been expected to replace Ryan Anderson's minutes while giving you more diversified offensive production at a fraction of the salary. That's it. That's where Melo's expectations stop IMO.

    He was not brought here to replace Ariza + Luc's contributions - 2 major factors that helped anchor our drastically improved regular season defense. I don't think anyone in the organization had that idea, but if they did, they're brain-dead.

    And whoevers idea it was to not only roster, but give minutes to, fringe NBA players like MCW... brain-dead?
     
  2. JVL713

    JVL713 Contributing Member

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    Blaming 20 point margins on a veteran minimum player is beyond idiotic. This team has issues from top to bottom. Yes, Melo can be better, and will be better. So will the rest of the team.
     
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  3. justtxyank

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    Even with your expectations he's failing. He's already reverted to taking those super long 2s and being a ball stopper while playing bad defense.
     
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    Once Melo is back in his rightful place playing 20 min off the bench he'll be fine. He will occasionally have a game where he hits a few 3s and is a factor and the other games he won't give us anything.

    He sucks, that's for sure, and he shouldn't be starting. But that's not what we brought him here to do anyway.
     
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  5. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    By my expectations the entire organization is failing. Melo is not the reason. Minimum salary guys one 1 year deals aren't going to hold teams hostage. And I'll still take what he's giving over post-injury Ryan Anderson.
     
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  6. justtxyank

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    I agree that the whole organization is a mess.

    As for the comment on Ryno:
    7 games in March last year he shot 43% from the field and 44% from 3 while getting only 18 minutes a game and was a +11.5 in the box score. (ORtg 124/ DRtg 103)
    9 games in February he shot 48% from the field and 46% from 3 in 23 minutes a game and was a +24.6. (ORtg 126, DRtg 107)

    In melo's 6 games so far he is shooting 37% from the field, 34% from 3 with an ORtg of 98 and a DRtg of 116 and a +/0 of -11.9 while playing 31 minutes.

    I get it, you hate Ryno like so many here. Ryno's salary was too damn high. As a player though he gave us SIGNIFICANTLY more than Melo is SO FAR. (Melo can still get better hopefully)
     
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  7. apollo33

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    that's not a fair comparison, we were doing well as a team last year as whole, and that benefits role players, especially spot up shooters.

    We are a complete mess right now, Melo along with the other min role players are suppose to enhance the system we already have. When the main players totally collapse, the scrubs will go with them.
     
  8. MeloMan15

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    Whose fault is it he is getting all those minutes? Why is he getting all those minutes? It is crazy that we are giving him over 30 minutes a night. I am not defending him or his play. They have both been garbage. But as far as problems with the team Melo isn't the top of the list....

    EG
    CP3
    Capela
    Harden's health

    All come before him. If everyone is playing at a high level and we are losing and Melo still sucks then he is the problem. Right now there are many other problems on the team.
     
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  9. deb4rockets

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    No, Melo is done but Paul's production isn't a factor. He is worth 40 mil, and so we're all the trades to get him. EG just needs to find his shot. Geez, didn't you know that?
    Melo haters are the cancer, not him.
     
  10. Reeko

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    It’s definitely crazy that he’s getting that many minutes, but that’s the reality.

    It is perfectly fine to throw heavy criticism at vet min Melo because his role on the team is that of a main rotation piece, and he is killing us on both ends.

    We all know CP3 will bounce back to play at a high level, and Ego will eventually start playing much better than he’s been. Harden will be in the lineup soon. Those problems will get fixed. Melo on the other hand is on a serious downward trend. There’s not much fixing that can be done.
     
  11. MeloMan15

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    Sooner or later CP3 will decline right? It is natural.

    If all those things happen and Melo is still playing 30+ minute and being a net negative then Mike has questions to answer as to why?
     
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    Of course he’ll decline, but who doubts that CP3 can’t be a top 20 player this year?

    Who thinks Ego will play this bad all year long?

    For Melo, if he ends up not being trash it will be a big surprise.
     
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  13. lnchan

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    Was this better or worse than the Cavs from last season before they got rid of the old early 2000s stars?
     
  14. SuperKev

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    Melo is even at a career low on hitting his free throws. If he were a rookie for example the poor production would be fine but his high profile causes his bad performance to have effects that are far wider.
     
  15. topfive

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    New team, new teammates, new coaching staff, new role, new arena, new city. Lots of adjusting on Melo's part, especially to his new role as 6th man after being a starter and star since he was probably in 6th grade.

    This isn't about hating Ryno, it's about not comparing apples to oranges.
     
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    I hope Gary Clark can be a Tim Hardaway Jr. a excellent scorer and defender. This year seems like a wash, if it is I think the Coaches need to play the younger players to see what they have, or gain experience.
     
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    CP 39.3% FG, 34.8% 3pt. 5.8 reb 19.0 pts @35.6m pay
    EG 30.6% FG 23.4% 3pt. 3.8 reb 14.0pts @14m pay
    CA 37.3% Fg, 34.3% 3pt. 5.5reb 13.2pts @2.4m pay.

    I have no idea what you guys blame Melo for. Because he is paid only 1/6 of Brandon Knight?
     
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    We can’t cut our escape goat.
     
  20. Caesar

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    Why are people bringing up his offense like that's the major factor. Every time I look, he's ball stopping, but worse than anything is he gets beat off the dribble every time. It's his D that is the main reason he needs to be waivede. Clark looks good. No point in Melo.

    Ennis is another one who at least looks like he's trying but he gets lost and he looks so slow laterally and this was the Ariza replacement..
     
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