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Cut Carlos Gomez.

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by underrated015, Aug 8, 2016.

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Who is most responsible for Gomez debacle?

Poll closed Oct 29, 2016.
  1. 5

    18.5%
  2. Luhnow

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  3. Hinch

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  4. Hitting Coach

    44.4%
  5. Moneyball aggregate offense approach

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  6. Hell if I know but what a disaster

    44.4%
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  1. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

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  2. HillBoy

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    You are being far to kind here which is what the Texans are counting on. The PR spin being sold today is "Oh it's only the 3rd game, they're still 2-1 and this should show them what has to be done to get to the next level". Bullcrap! If these coaches don't know what it takes to get to level of the "good" teams, then they have NO business coaching this team. No, they weren't the least bit surprised at what the Pats were doing because both teams were running many of the same plays on both offense AND defense. And BoB coached there for 5 years - I mean, do you honestly believe that this "coaching staff" was caught off guard? What happened was that Belichick looked at what the Texans like to do on offense and gasp! he actually devised a defensive strategy to negate that. It's what known as COACHING. BoB and crew weren't caught unaware - he said so during the post game presser - they simply didn't have a plan in place for this eventuality even though BoB more than anyone else on that staff should have understood this need given how he actually worked for Belichick and knows how he prepares for opposing teams. So all of these excuses being offered for the Texans are simply weak ass justifications for getting punked (again) on national TV.
     
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    and this is why they are head and shoulders above anyone else in nfl - they buck tradition. so much is done in football simply based on tradition, on doing things the way they've always been done. there's little to no advanced analytics being used that i'm aware of and that is just stupid, regardless of the "small sample size" argument commonly thrown out. the very notion of not going for it on every 4th and 5 or better has been statistically disproved and yet teams willingly give the other the team the ball to "play it safe" or play for better field position (another driving nfl philosophy that advanced stats dispel).

    the pats look at every commonly held nfl belief and say to hell with that. they chart their own course and have reaped the rewards because of it. unfortunately for us we're not them.
     
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    Yup, I saw that. It wasn't player talent that beat the Texans last night, it was coaching. The Patriots could have run a high school team out there and beat the Texans with the difference in coaching talent.
     
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    you're absolutely right, our coaching was a joke
     
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    not even tripping. a little bugged out with B.O.B rolling out the brady offense, from when fitzie got here to now, without tom brady. You have to let the qb grow into that role. It's just too much on the qb's plate for this being his first season with b.o.b It's going to get better just not against the patriots.
    Even the rockets couldn't beat the sonics. it happens.

    I left the radio on overnight, Ted Johnson was playing reporter for the national station. And just like he gets all giddy talking about the patriots' awesomeness locally. He was doing it there. I feel that's how our coaching staff is towards the patriots organization and bellacheat. They're so in awe that they can't think clearly. that's why Shane the punter was the best coach on the sideline.

    Unless severe injuries, the only other teams that can do that to us will be the Broncos and Packers. I would say the bengals but they've yet to prove that they can beat us. No need to take that sword to the abdomen just yet.
     
  8. Jake Tower

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    Watching this game was like Kubiak never left.
     
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    Kubiak never got shutout. Still early but I think when all is said and done we will learn that Kubiak wasn't the problem. We have some talent deficiencies and clearly coaching deficiencies right now. Would've loved to see some of Kubiak zone blocking last night instead of forcing Lamar Miller up the middle (not his strength or our O-line strength) every single time.
     
  10. J.R.

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    Tune in next week as Bill Belichick wins with Julian Edelman at QB! ;)

    Edit: Only a sprain; no surgery required.

    Hurt Cutler's thumb in week one, Brissett's in week three.
     
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    yes turnovers hurt us but the offense still did not do a damn thing. teams can negate turnovers by scoring points. which we could not do
     
  12. Hey Now!

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    The offensive game plan stumped me; I can't answer for it. I just think it's a different - certainly less deflating - game if the team had played cleaner.
     
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    I think the turnovers could have been overcome if the offense could have sustained a drive, entered NE territory before late in the 3rd quarter and maybe scored a TD or 2.

    The 2 ST turnovers certainly didn't help. But I think the story of this game was the offense being totally shut down. Our coaching staff definitely lost the chess match aspect of this game and it wasn't even close.
     
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    I don't understand how Osweiler is getting a pass for playing like utter trash... this dude has 2 elite receivers and couldn't even get the team in the Patriots territory until the 4th qtr in garbage time. I have seen nothing so far that indicates this bum is a starting caliber QB in the league. Dude is flat-footed, runs scripted plays, and has below average football IQ.

    He can't read zone, constantly throws in double coverage, acts like he's calling audibles to adjust the playcalling but hands it off when the D is stacked. His accuracy is mediocre, has thrown more picks than TD's, and has a 72.2 passer rating... Even Hoyer (as terrible as he was in the playoffs) had a decent 91.4 passer rating and a 19-7 TD-pick ratio.
     
  15. Hey Now!

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    I don't disagree - but both of those turnovers kept the offense on the sidelines.

    Look, man... I can't defend the offensive playcalling or performance - both were abysmal. I didn't understand it; it felt like they made it up on the bus trip to the stadium. BUT... against New England, you have to play clean. They take advantage of EVERYTHING.

    Brissett was not very good; gifting him two > 30-yard fields... And James' other gaffe - the personal foul - that swapped the field position dramatically - they went from their own 16 to their own 31. When we forced the punt, we were backed up to our 11. We never dug out of that hole.
     
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    I don't think anyone is giving him a pass... But last night was his... 10th(?) start in the NFL. He's a rookie, in terms of playing time. If he, and the offense, don't show marked improvement weeks 9-16, then I think we have cause to be legitimately concerned about him.

    But three weeks in is too early. You cannot rebuild an offense overnight in the NFL. Four new starters and two more back-ups on the OL - it's going to take some time.
     
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    I think BOB deserves more blame than Osweiler. I'm not sure any QB could have done anything with that awful game plan. At times it looked like BOB was actively trying to throw the game.
     
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    Obviously that was pathetic offensive play-calling by Godsey/O'B but so far I am not impressed by Osweiler, he hasn't flashed anything to me that says that he's any better than Ryan Mallet on the field plus his handoffs are just so ugly/slow that the defense already knows it will be a draw play before the RB even gets the ball. I truly hope this is just a rough patch because if this is what we are hitching our wagon to as our starting QB, then god help us.
     
  19. Nick

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    I'd say if they didn't have a plan in place, they were caught unaware. Regardless of what they said in the press conference.

    Of course they were outcoached by the greatest coaching staff in the league. Belichick loves games that he has to actually coach his way to a win. They actually play the worst when they're on autopilot.
     
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    If BO'B came in to the game . .. already deciding it would be low scoring game (13-10 type game)
    That means he has no confidence in his offence . . .. or too much respect for New England
    Meaning he out thought himself into an abysmal loss

    I am not playing Chicken Little .. . but d*mn this loss hurt and sucks

    Rocket River
     

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